Chess will never be solved, here's why

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playerafar
DiogenesDue wrote:
Elroch wrote:

The billionaire with the prolific sperm donation is the CEO of Telegram, Pavel Durov, currently on bail in France. It's unfortunate that he appears to have been so happy to enable some of the worst criminals in the world - he has in the past been a force for good in Russia, standing up against the state. But I suppose he is as willing to assist child rapists as opposition voices if it makes money.

Ahhh, no wonder. I use Signal, far more secure than Telegram.

And our version of Pavel - the 'original' -
is turning bad guy too. Zuckerberg. Becoming another Musk.

playerafar

EE thinks a law would be passed because he thinks it should be?
You might as well pass a law saying all vehicles from now on must be gasoline-powered because people Must get lung cancer.
Fortunately - things are going the other way.
But much too slowly.

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mq2NohrRJQ

all u complainers need this...

MARattigan

Always relevant. Prefer the original.

SilverThylacine

oh nah blud

playerafar
Thee_Ghostess_Lola wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mq2NohrRJQ

all u complainers need this...

That's a nice looking gal in the picture you posted three posts ago.
Is that you Lola?

MARattigan

You occasionally have a dry sense of humour.

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:

You occasionally have a dry sense of humour.

Martin I thought of this one today:
Climate skeptic says to neighbor
'How come you've got a 'Crazy climate activists!' bumper sticker on your EV Nissan Leaf?'
Neighbor responds: 'Is there a law against saving on gasoline money?'
Neighbor adds: 'How come you've got a solar panel roof?
Climate skeptic: 'Is there a law against saving on electricity money?'
Neighbor: 'What's this got to do with solving chess?'
skeptic: 'Well we gotta solve Something!'

MARattigan
Elroch wrote:

... or even 4 * (1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/7 + ...), permits you to find, say, the 1000,000th decimal digit of pi, with no uncertainty. ...

Which brings us to the crux of the topic.

How long would it take?

Chess of any description is already solved by the minimax algorithm. We're arguing only about if it can be solved given current or foreseeable resources in any way that will usefully produce the required moves under any practical time controls.

playerafar

'arguing'.
And 'discussing'.

MARattigan

I use the two interchangeably unless I resort to headbutting (or the person I'm having the discussion with does).

playerafar

Martin you're from and in Switzerland apparently.
And after 'exchanges' between you and tygxc he seems to come out of it looking like Swiss cheese. Lots of holes.
He's quiet for now.
'western front'.

MARattigan
playerafar wrote:

Martin you're from and in Switzerland apparently.
...

I was actually born in England and spent most of my time living in the UK. Switzerland currently.

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:
playerafar wrote:

Martin you're from and in Switzerland apparently.
And after 'exchanges' between you and tygxc he seems to come out of it looking like Swiss cheese. Lots of holes.
He's quiet for now.
'western front'.

I was actually born in England and spent most of my time living in the UK. Switzerland currently.

That's why your english is so good I guess.
But swiss speak very good english anyway I guess.
And these days perhaps Switzerland is a better place to live than UK.
Or even better than before - in the comparison.

MARattigan

I was most impressed living in Holland, where the people I worked with, despite apologising for their bad English, spoke better English than I'd been accustomed to in England, meanwhile picking up a call from Norway and conversing in Norwegian (and probably apologising for their bad Norwegian).

Most Swiss speak good English. (Better than your own country, but with a lot of the same flaws - probably propagated by American films. I bemoan the fact that we never thought of giving the Pilgrim Fathers basic English tests before we sent them out.

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:

I was most impressed living in Holland, where the people I worked with, despite apologising for their bad English, spoke better English than I'd been accustomed to in England, meanwhile picking up a call from Norway and conversing in Norwegian (and probably apologising for their bad Norwegian).

That's neat.
Reminds me that many foreigners coming to the US speak 'better english' than many of the natives.

goodwitch13

Why is it we can't all be in aggreance that the solving of chess is based upon the two playing it. Often times when one has no other opponent they play against themself. Finding different variations too win or lose. The fact is chess is strategy,. Why make it more complicated than that? Either you have good defense or offense. Practice makes perfect.

DiogenesDue
goodwitch13 wrote:

Why is it we can't all be in aggreance that the solving of chess is based upon the two playing it. Often times when one has no other opponent they play against themself. Finding different variations too win or lose. The fact is chess is strategy,. Why make it more complicated than that? Either you have good defense or offense. Practice makes perfect.

This feel-good take on things is irrelevant. If you think it's not a question worth answering, then why read this thread at all?

MARattigan
goodwitch13 wrote:

Why is it we can't all be in aggreance ("agreement" - don't know which Pilgrim Father came up with that one) that the solving of chess is based upon the two playing it. Often times when one has no other opponent they play against themself. Finding different variations too win or lose. The fact is chess is strategy,. Why make it more complicated than that?

I don't think anybody is making it more complicated than that. We're just asking what a perfect strategy is. 

Either you have good defense or offense. Practice makes perfect.

The question is, "what is good?". Practice doesn't make perfect in practice. (Your grandmother might be fond of saying so.)

playerafar

Does 1) g4 Lose?
It could. If you follow it right away with f3 or f4.
But that isn't the plan of the Grob player.
He wants to do a different kind of Grobbing.