Chess will never be solved, here's why

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MARattigan

Well you can't peek because I didn't put in any moves, but after ...Kd1 White would be down the tubes. It took me about twenty minutes when I first saw it.

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:

Well you can't peek because I didn't put in any moves, but after ...Kd1 White would be down the tubes. It took me about twenty minutes when I first saw it.

I meant - peek at the analysis board.
Which is easily brought up on your diagram by clicking on the three horizontal bars symbol at bottom left of it.
It then shows lines of play and evaluations. They're interactive too.
Right?
I could use the general chess.com analysis board to set up the positon and look at it but I'm not sure I can stop it from showing lines.
20 minutes? That doesn't sound bad. For a 50-mover!

MARattigan

Doubt if that will do you much good.

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:

Doubt if that will do you much good.

Added to my post a bit.
I didn't think you'd reply that fast!
And - I don't usually peek at puzzle answers unless I'm convinced I'm not going to get it in any other way than 'crunching' moves.
That's after getting Incorrect though.

MARattigan

It's the sort of puzzle SF is destined to fail on. A good indicator of why SF is irrelevant to the topic.

As a (hopefully useless) hint, White can regularly afford non-checking moves.

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:

It's the sort of puzzle SF is destined to fail on. A good indicator of why SF is irrelevant to the topic.

As a (hopefully useless) hint, White can regularly afford non-checking moves.

I've been thinking that too.
But also thinking can he afford to allow a promotion at e1.
Then something is 'out of the barn'.
Got to look at it some more while I multitask about 20 other things.

MARattigan

As a (slightly less useless) hint, White can regularly afford non-checking moves.

playerafar
MARattigan wrote:

As a (slightly less useless) hint, White can regularly afford non-checking moves.

I was beginning to think that too.
And I answered your post but somehow my answer disappeared.
So posting again.
I've been thinking white probably can't afford to allow a promotion at e1 ...

Used the share button available on your diagram but it might come out a bit big. At least it agreed to download as a .png

playerafar

Made a chess.com analysis board of it with 'clear board' command.
Got it set up now so I can try some moves.
It showed a Fen code too. Changes as I move.
Gotta fix it. happy
And - the Fen code for now is
8/3p1p1p/3p4/8/5N2/1N3bpp/1K2pp1r/5k1r w - - 0 1
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And its nice that StockFish 'fails' at this one.
Makes it a Great Puzzle.

DiogenesDue

Hmmm....somebody got muted.

playerafar
DiogenesDue wrote:

Hmmm....somebody got muted.

Not clear who it is yet though.

divitrocks2012

Chess won't be solved because in the Fair Play Policy - Chess.com on one of my friends' account it showed that his account was closed due to abuse. He always took a screenshot of his games' chat and he never said a single bad word. His account is loginmygg, or should I say was? Hopefully this message gets to the Chess.com Team.

- divitrocks2012 aka MightySingh1001

This message also relates to other innocent people's accounts such as dedwefh.

divitrocks2012
A poet once said, "Who is the apple of my eye? What is the apple of my eye? Where is the apple of my eye? Who, what, where is the apple of my eye? How is the apple of my eye? Who, what, where, how is the apple of my eye?".

It took me a long time to understand this quote, it means who is my helper, what is my helper, where is my helper. How is my helper doing? In this case, I will help the innocents for getting banned due to innocence.

playerafar

I don't know what either of those have got to do with 'solving chess' or 'chess won't be solved'.
But that's okay.
happy

Thee_Ghostess_Lola

nature solved chess after the new promotion rules, castling, & on pissant. now its just up to us to find it w/ TEAMS (tech, engr'ing, art, math, science). plz note that Art is found @ the center.

DiogenesDue

edited moderator AndrewSmith 

lobodadanilo

Ok

Katara_14

The longest thread!

Im_superbored2045

Lol

MARattigan
DiogenesDue wrote:
EndgameEnthusiast2357 wrote:

The "rather obvious" K+5 Pieces vs King and maybe even some K + 4 vs King + 1 positions were omitted from 7 piece tablebase construction.

I love how you make statements like this...remove the "maybe", or don't mention your suppositions.

If a given tablebase chooses to eliminate lone king positions, I guess that would be okay since they can calculate them on the fly (all should take less than 23 moves), and obviously a 17-man tablebase eliminating 16 on one side and the long king on the other makes some sense, but the point stands. Show me a single tablebase that eliminates K+R+N vs K+2N, which was your premise. There's a big difference between skipping easy to calculate positions versus skipping positions that might take 40+ moves to resolve. What exactly would they tell people that wanted them to prove the value of their project/product if there were a bunch of positions where the tablebase said "this is a win, but I can't show you how it is done or even how many moves it will take"?

"The "rather obvious" K+5 Pieces vs King and ... positions were omitted from 7 piece tablebase construction" itself needs qualification.

What is this?

(Btw. the Syzygy tablebase doesn't tell you how many moves it will take. Edit: removed dubious elaboration.)