Is it good to paraphrase it this way? "How many possible configuration such that a Queen would not be able to capture the other Queen of opposite color?"
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In how many ways two queens shall be placed into 8×8 chessboard such that they never get cancel by each other ( there are only two queens on board place , assume white plays first ).
I found the words "that they never get cancel by each other". It is hard to get... If you did not combine the definition of the second sentence "assume white plays first", it is hard to know the real definition of the word cancel...
There are two definition:
1. decide or announce that (a planned event) will not take place.
2. (of a factor or circumstance) neutralize or negate the force or effect of (another).
The first one says that, capturing a piece is included in the problem... Because, if you cancel the effects of the other piece, you must capture it while the ones who capture remain hence "they did not cancel each other"...
The second one says that, capturing a piece is not included in the problem... Because, if you capture the other, it will not exist...
Because most of us agreed that the second definition is what we are talking about... I guess, the second definition seems more practical...
Well as per your question
I have used the word cancel because if I would write capture then definitely some will come up and will say capturing has has only one ways
Also capturing is the choice whether the queens would like to do capture or not
As per your concern I will edit question for less confusions
Is it good to paraphrase it this way? "How many possible configuration such that a Queen would not be able to capture the other Queen of opposite color?"
Yes
Thank You for sharing your thoughts... I am glad...
Thanks to you also . Discussion makes more corrections if there is mistake.
There are 42 ways the Qs can be placed with the white Q on a1. There are 42 ways if the white Q is on a4. If the white Q is on f4, there are 38. Logically, for all the edge squares there are 42. If on b7 there are 40, so a pattern is developing. If we divide the board into concentric tracks, the outer track contains squares all of which are 42. The next track inwards 40, the next track inwards, 38.
The final track is the centre four squares. Taking one at random, d4, there are 5x6 +6 = 36
So we have 4x36 + 12x38 + 20x40 + 28x42 = 2576
Double it and we have the answer.
5152
This is (kinda) wrong. The answer is 2576 you dont need to double it heres why
I think the reason you double it is to count the inverse variation of this position. But you already count that before when you considered the 4 square intermost layer queen position. So you dont need to double the answer to count the inverse variation of a position, because its already coumted before Therefore, the answer is 2576.
The fact that i can grab a blue-colored queen from a 4 player chess board and put it in here is even worse
In how many ways two queens shall be placed into 8×8 chessboard such that they never get cancel by each other ( there are only two queens on board place , assume white plays first ).
I found the words "that they never get cancel by each other". It is hard to get... If you did not combine the definition of the second sentence "assume white plays first", it is hard to know the real definition of the word cancel...
There are two definition:
1. decide or announce that (a planned event) will not take place.
2. (of a factor or circumstance) neutralize or negate the force or effect of (another).
The first one says that, capturing a piece is included in the problem... Because, if you cancel the effects of the other piece, you must capture it while the ones who capture remain hence "they did not cancel each other"...
The second one says that, capturing a piece is not included in the problem... Because, if you capture the other, it will not exist...
Because most of us agreed that the second definition is what we are talking about... I guess, the second definition seems more practical...
Well as per your question
I have used the word cancel because if I would write capture then definitely some will come up and will say capturing has has only one ways
Also capturing is the choice whether the queens would like to do capture or not
As per your concern I will edit question for less confusions
I think you can change the cancel to "in a line of sight" just to be clear and please tell me what queen color is being used in this puzzle
Many people might think what is use of that but in reality software engineer need such calculations
Yes!
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There are 42 ways the Qs can be placed with the white Q on a1. There are 42 ways if the white Q is on a4. If the white Q is on f4, there are 38. Logically, for all the edge squares there are 42. If on b7 there are 40, so a pattern is developing. If we divide the board into concentric tracks, the outer track contains squares all of which are 42. The next track inwards 40, the next track inwards, 38.
The final track is the centre four squares. Taking one at random, d4, there are 5x6 +6 = 36
So we have 4x36 + 12x38 + 20x40 + 28x42 = 2576
Double it and we have the answer.
5152
This is (kinda) wrong. The answer is 2576 you dont need to double it heres why
I think the reason you double it is to count the inverse variation of this position. But you already count that before when you considered the 4 square intermost layer queen position. So you dont need to double the answer to count the inverse variation of a position, because its already coumted before Therefore, the answer is 2576.
The reason why we need to double the answer because you need to calculate for both the queens . For example, case-1
Case - 2
In this two cases the position of the two queens differ. For this example we can conclude that in one situation there are two possibilities . Like changing the colour of the two queen.
In how many ways two queens shall be placed into 8×8 chessboard such that they never get cancel by each other ( there are only two queens on board place , assume white plays first ).
I found the words "that they never get cancel by each other". It is hard to get... If you did not combine the definition of the second sentence "assume white plays first", it is hard to know the real definition of the word cancel...
There are two definition:
1. decide or announce that (a planned event) will not take place.
2. (of a factor or circumstance) neutralize or negate the force or effect of (another).
The first one says that, capturing a piece is included in the problem... Because, if you cancel the effects of the other piece, you must capture it while the ones who capture remain hence "they did not cancel each other"...
The second one says that, capturing a piece is not included in the problem... Because, if you capture the other, it will not exist...
Because most of us agreed that the second definition is what we are talking about... I guess, the second definition seems more practical...
Well as per your question
I have used the word cancel because if I would write capture then definitely some will come up and will say capturing has has only one ways
Also capturing is the choice whether the queens would like to do capture or not
As per your concern I will edit question for less confusions
I think you can change the cancel to "in a line of sight" just to be clear and please tell me what queen color is being used in this puzzle
Its clear that two queens of same color cannot capture or cancel
If the game has 2 queens you have to count for the both first and second that's the reason answer get doubled .
As you know chess board have coordinates so placing on that coordinates from any of the sides are totally different positions
Yeah... I also agree... Although you might not agree because dictionary existed at the first place, we have to respect the definition of the one giving riddle... I know you have concern for him, but he had already given a nice definition about it so it might be also good to just take it as it is... (Cancel means possibilities of capture.)
Because of that, it is good if you double it because White Queen captures Black Queen and on the other hand Black Queen captures White Queen...
I think I understood it this way... q If capturing a piece made them cancel each other hence both of them are removed from the board, How many possible ways that both of them are not removed from the board if you use a turn based movement assuming that you need to use one move only while the other one would not be able to but the other one can also do the same at the different scenario... q
In how many ways two queens shall be placed into 8×8 chessboard such that they never get cancel by each other ( there are only two queens on board place , assume white plays first ).
I found the words "that they never get cancel by each other". It is hard to get... If you did not combine the definition of the second sentence "assume white plays first", it is hard to know the real definition of the word cancel...
There are two definition:
1. decide or announce that (a planned event) will not take place.
2. (of a factor or circumstance) neutralize or negate the force or effect of (another).
The first one says that, capturing a piece is included in the problem... Because, if you cancel the effects of the other piece, you must capture it while the ones who capture remain hence "they did not cancel each other"...
The second one says that, capturing a piece is not included in the problem... Because, if you capture the other, it will not exist...
Because most of us agreed that the second definition is what we are talking about... I guess, the second definition seems more practical...
Well as per your question
I have used the word cancel because if I would write capture then definitely some will come up and will say capturing has has only one ways
Also capturing is the choice whether the queens would like to do capture or not
As per your concern I will edit question for less confusions
I think you can change the cancel to "in a line of sight" just to be clear and please tell me what queen color is being used in this puzzle
Its clear that two queens of same color cannot capture or cancel
It's clear they cannot capture. Whether they can cancel is anybody's guess, it depends what you intended to mean by the term. If you intended to mean just "capture" then two queens of the same colour satisfy your criterion wherever they are placed, so all such diagrams should be included in the count unless you explicitly say the queens are of opposite colour.
If you consider queens of opposite colour, then the answer would depend on what you intended by the phrase "such that they never get cancel by each other". The inclusion of the word "never" seems to imply that the game continues. In that case, assuming "cancel" is synonymous with "capture", there are 0 diagrams where that is the case in all possible continuations (though it could be the case from any diagram if e.g. a draw has been agreed).
Edit: I notice you have have clarified that "cancel" is to be taken as an approximate synonym of "capture" and removed the reference to White having the move. The question is probably about only the diagram and any game continuation is irrelevant, in which case
In how many ways can a queen of each colour be placed on an otherwise empty chessboard in such a way that neither queen occupies a square attacked by the other?
would have been clearer.
Edit2: Just realised that my first two paragraphs don't address the question as currently posed. Any position with only two queens on the board is necessarily dead, because neither side can checkmate. Therefore neither side has any possibility of capture, because a dead position immediately terminates the game. So all such positions satisfy your criterion.
The correct answer to the question as currently posed is therefore 64.63.(1+½+½)=8064.
If the game has 2 queens you have to count for the both first and second that's the reason answer get doubled .
No. You may have to change your id.
As you know chess board have coordinates so placing on that coordinates from any of the sides are totally different positions
In how many ways two queens shall be placed into 8×8 chessboard such that they never get cancel by each other ( there are only two queens on board place , assume white plays first ).
I found the words "that they never get cancel by each other". It is hard to get... If you did not combine the definition of the second sentence "assume white plays first", it is hard to know the real definition of the word cancel...
There are two definition:
1. decide or announce that (a planned event) will not take place.
2. (of a factor or circumstance) neutralize or negate the force or effect of (another).
The first one says that, capturing a piece is included in the problem... Because, if you cancel the effects of the other piece, you must capture it while the ones who capture remain hence "they did not cancel each other"...
The second one says that, capturing a piece is not included in the problem... Because, if you capture the other, it will not exist...
Because most of us agreed that the second definition is what we are talking about... I guess, the second definition seems more practical...
Well as per your question
I have used the word cancel because if I would write capture then definitely some will come up and will say capturing has has only one ways
Also capturing is the choice whether the queens would like to do capture or not
As per your concern I will edit question for less confusions
I think you can change the cancel to "in a line of sight" just to be clear and please tell me what queen color is being used in this puzzle
Its clear that two queens of same color cannot capture or cancel
It's clear they cannot capture. Whether they can cancel is anybody's guess, it depends what you intended to mean by the term. If you intended to mean just "capture" then two queens of the same colour satisfy your criterion wherever they are placed, so all such diagrams should be included in the count unless you explicitly say the queens are of opposite colour.
If you consider queens of opposite colour, then the answer would depend on what you intended by the phrase "such that they never get cancel by each other". The inclusion of the word "never" seems to imply that the game continues. In that case, assuming "cancel" is synonymous with "capture", there are 0 diagrams where that is the case in all possible continuations (though it could be the case from any diagram if e.g. a draw has been agreed).
Edit: I notice you have have clarified that "cancel" is to be taken as an approximate synonym of "capture" and removed the reference to White having the move. The question is probably about only the diagram and any game continuation is irrelevant, in which case
In how many ways can a queen of each colour be placed on an otherwise empty chessboard in such a way that neither queen occupies a square attacked by the other?
would have been clearer.
If the game has 2 queens you have to count for the both first and second that's the reason answer get doubled .
No. You may have to change your id.
As you know chess board have coordinates so placing on that coordinates from any of the sides are totally different positions
I apologize if this question really created such confusion
But if I really mark your statement
"In how many ways can a queen of each colour be placed on an otherwise empty chessboard in such a way that neither queen occupies a square attacked by the other?"
Then we shall consider all the colors VIBGYOR
Then in this we will consider 7 different colors queen on board which was not in questions
By the way thanks For next time I will make sure to correct my sentence in more efficient way.
In how many ways two queens shall be placed into 8×8 chessboard such that they never get cancel by each other ( there are only two queens on board place , assume white plays first ).
I found the words "that they never get cancel by each other". It is hard to get... If you did not combine the definition of the second sentence "assume white plays first", it is hard to know the real definition of the word cancel...
There are two definition:
1. decide or announce that (a planned event) will not take place.
2. (of a factor or circumstance) neutralize or negate the force or effect of (another).
The first one says that, capturing a piece is included in the problem... Because, if you cancel the effects of the other piece, you must capture it while the ones who capture remain hence "they did not cancel each other"...
The second one says that, capturing a piece is not included in the problem... Because, if you capture the other, it will not exist...
Because most of us agreed that the second definition is what we are talking about... I guess, the second definition seems more practical...
Well as per your question
I have used the word cancel because if I would write capture then definitely some will come up and will say capturing has has only one ways
Also capturing is the choice whether the queens would like to do capture or not
As per your concern I will edit question for less confusions
I think you can change the cancel to "in a line of sight" just to be clear and please tell me what queen color is being used in this puzzle
Its clear that two queens of same color cannot capture or cancel
It's clear they cannot capture. Whether they can cancel is anybody's guess, it depends what you intended to mean by the term. If you intended to mean just "capture" then two queens of the same colour satisfy your criterion wherever they are placed, so all such diagrams should be included in the count unless you explicitly say the queens are of opposite colour.
If you consider queens of opposite colour, then the answer would depend on what you intended by the phrase "such that they never get cancel by each other". The inclusion of the word "never" seems to imply that the game continues. In that case, assuming "cancel" is synonymous with "capture", there are 0 diagrams where that is the case in all possible continuations (though it could be the case from any diagram if e.g. a draw has been agreed).
Edit: I notice you have have clarified that "cancel" is to be taken as an approximate synonym of "capture" and removed the reference to White having the move. The question is probably about only the diagram and any game continuation is irrelevant, in which case
In how many ways can a queen of each colour be placed on an otherwise empty chessboard in such a way that neither queen occupies a square attacked by the other?
would have been clearer.
If the game has 2 queens you have to count for the both first and second that's the reason answer get doubled .
No. You may have to change your id.
As you know chess board have coordinates so placing on that coordinates from any of the sides are totally different positions
Also the reason for doubling and answer without changing id is we are placing two queens one by one outside, it's not a chess tournament .
In how many ways two queens shall be placed into 8×8 chessboard such that they never get cancel by each other ( there are only two queens on board place , assume white plays first ).
I found the words "that they never get cancel by each other". It is hard to get... If you did not combine the definition of the second sentence "assume white plays first", it is hard to know the real definition of the word cancel...
There are two definition:
1. decide or announce that (a planned event) will not take place.
2. (of a factor or circumstance) neutralize or negate the force or effect of (another).
The first one says that, capturing a piece is included in the problem... Because, if you cancel the effects of the other piece, you must capture it while the ones who capture remain hence "they did not cancel each other"...
The second one says that, capturing a piece is not included in the problem... Because, if you capture the other, it will not exist...
Because most of us agreed that the second definition is what we are talking about... I guess, the second definition seems more practical...
Well as per your question
I have used the word cancel because if I would write capture then definitely some will come up and will say capturing has has only one ways
Also capturing is the choice whether the queens would like to do capture or not
As per your concern I will edit question for less confusions
I think you can change the cancel to "in a line of sight" just to be clear and please tell me what queen color is being used in this puzzle
Its clear that two queens of same color cannot capture or cancel
It's clear they cannot capture. Whether they can cancel is anybody's guess, it depends what you intended to mean by the term. If you intended to mean just "capture" then two queens of the same colour satisfy your criterion wherever they are placed, so all such diagrams should be included in the count unless you explicitly say the queens are of opposite colour.
If you consider queens of opposite colour, then the answer would depend on what you intended by the phrase "such that they never get cancel by each other". The inclusion of the word "never" seems to imply that the game continues. In that case, assuming "cancel" is synonymous with "capture", there are 0 diagrams where that is the case in all possible continuations (though it could be the case from any diagram if e.g. a draw has been agreed).
Edit: I notice you have have clarified that "cancel" is to be taken as an approximate synonym of "capture" and removed the reference to White having the move. The question is probably about only the diagram and any game continuation is irrelevant, in which case
In how many ways can a queen of each colour be placed on an otherwise empty chessboard in such a way that neither queen occupies a square attacked by the other?
would have been clearer.
If the game has 2 queens you have to count for the both first and second that's the reason answer get doubled .
No. You may have to change your id.
As you know chess board have coordinates so placing on that coordinates from any of the sides are totally different positions
Also pieces got canceled or captured then that case counted you have to count others too
TOTAL cases
If we also treat them as kings, they are not allowed to capture the other... Is not it?
Well if you read carefully I got the same doubt When I thought about it
But we placed two queens on chessboard note that is assumed to be default case of hypothetical situation without consideration of king