Chess.com you Twits!

HAHAHA!

Just one thing: if a person is using an engine, how come he has a 1800 rating?

 

If he is using the engine all the time, then his rating would be higher.

If he is using the engine only some games, then his real rating when he is not using the engine would be lower. So, sometimes you will be beating a 1800 and getting elo points when in reality you are only beating a 1500 or so player.

 

Seems you are a phd in cheating.

<Ancares> is right actually - it does even out, because the engine users who must keep their rating below 2000, will have to "let go" and lose many games... and many times a game really feels "too easy" - in all time controls... too easy for the rating or for the level - and that may well be the reason why. 

But still - when they play a Stockfish perfect game - pounce on them, report them, get them banned I say. 

<AlCzervik> wrote me a personal message, and I think we now understand each other better. 

Xplayer, I understand why you're upset and I agree - if all or most of this guy's games are like that ( 0 inaccuracies and average cp loss that low) - It's suspicious. What I don't like about these topics on the forums is that the assumed scale of the problem is too large. I'm not good enough for it to be an issue for me at any live time control, but in daily games, at my rating people actually think a large # of their opponents are doing this. I went to that cheating forum a few weeks ago and there was this thread where people were sifting through 1700-1800 rated 'Daily' games and looking at TT ratings saying a negative difference between TT rating and daily rating is evidence of engine use. The reality was that the OP had TT and live blitz ratings in the 2000's, and average time per move in Daily of ~ 15 min. He was blitzing his Daily games and of course, patzers can beat good players in that scenario. The problem with all of that is just that the lack of realism in the conversations leads everyone down a path of believing that the problem is much much bigger than it really is. In your case, you seem to be taking a more fact-based approach in terms of what you use as evidence for that particular player, but really... how many of your opponents have game histories like that? what percentage? That's an important question to answer before we start insinuating that the reason we can't surpass a given rating is because of cheating.

what sort of values for average cp loss are normal?

On a good day I can get about 15-20 but with an inaccuracy or two. However the nature of the game is mostly positional. That game was very tactical and 3 zeros with 10 cp is very suspicious. A GM would probably not get that.

I am the one with the 1800+ ranking.

He is rated 1950+.

He has 11 wins only 1 lose in 10 min blitz

In online chess he is 24 wins - 0 loss -1 draw

It doesn't seem as if he has stopped using an engine.

I have gotten perfect score before in some forcing lines.

Since many of the forcing lines have to be remembered.

The problem is it isn't something that happens every single time.

In a few days he will be banned.

However, it doesn't change the fact that something needs to be done in longer time games.

10 min + seem to be run by programmers.

This is the reality of the situation.

 

Report him, I only hope he will be banned. Unfortunately, nothing stops him from creating a new account and doing it again. I just don´t understand what he gains from that. It´s kind of stupid to lose your time making your computer to play against other people online.

No, it is because he is Stockfish perfect in every game!

All computer engines are different.

One engine can think a mistake is happening differently to another engine.

The issue we have here is a person is playing in accordance with a machine.

Which either means he is a very strong chess player who has studyed/memorized machine lines through analysis.

or

He is using that engine in his chess game.

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Do you honestly believe a human is going to play 62 moves through memorization which match a computer engine identically?

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