Chess.com's anti cheat service is a joke, I have the solution

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Ajinnola

I have developed a script, a database of several hundred thousand GM games from the last 50+ years that will "watch" your opponents moves and also use a simple algorithm that decides what the opponents best move should be (not unlike what any chess program does) and alerts you when he/she makes that particular move, therefore letting you know if they are cheating or not. My script does not tell you the moves before they are made so it cannot be used for cheating. IT SIMPLY INFORMS YOU IF YOUR OPPONENT IS. In a way it is like PunkBuster but for Chess! Feel free to contact me for more info.

(Chess.com admin: please consider using my script, I WILL SELL IT TO YOU FOR A VERY REASONABLE PRICE. It is free for individual members)

Segway_Enthusiast

I'd like to see it.

wanmokewan

Why do you think it's a joke?

Ajinnola

Because people still cheat all the time and chess.com doesn't detect it

my email is ajinnola@gmail.com

I'll happily let you have it.. I'm giving it away as freeware.

wanmokewan

Proof?  And no, I don't want it.

Scottrf

As I said in the other thread, this additional information is an unfair advantage.

kleelof

What a cute idea. But just because someone makes a move like a master would, does in no way mean they are cheating.

In fact, I would say if someone made 80 - 90% of the same moves, that is no proof. It is in the other 10% or so moves that masters make that make them masters.

I run all of my games through Fritz. The vast majority of the moves my opponents make are the same moves Fritz makes. Should I assume they are cheating?

johnmusacha

"The vast majority of the moves my opponents make are the same moves Fritz makes. Should I assume they are cheating?"

I don't know much about it, but yes, perhaps...

nameno1had

Databases are allowed but, I have a problem with them once there are many thousnads of games for each of the most popular openings, when all played by GM's.

In my opinion, it starts getting difficult to tell the difference between someone cheating and someone who is honest...

Scottrf

Yeah if a 1500 matches the vast majority of a fritz moves they are almost certainly cheating. Even super GMs very rarely have matchups above the 60 percents.

samtoyousir

HEY! I just rembered that Ajinnola is that racist guy that wont play with with Filipinos! (hurts the cred on his system)

AlCzervik

I often move as fritz tells me and I'm 1500. Unfortunately, he spends most of his time watching cartoons.

kleelof
johnmusacha wrote:

"The vast majority of the moves my opponents make are the same moves Fritz makes. Should I assume they are cheating?"

I don't know much about it, but yes, perhaps...

If I run a Paul Morphy game throug Fritz, most of the moves are the same. Does it mean Paul Morphy cheated?

Here is an example. Not Paul Morphy. But Steintz. But I think it is valid, as they did not have computers then either:

All the alternate lines wer added by Fritz. As you can see, most of the moves made were not given alternate lines by Fritz.
(Fritz Settings: 60sec move/ threshold = 30)

I guess my point was that, no, it does not necessarily mean they are cheating. Most moves you make on a chessboard would hold up to general consensus. Meaning any equal or nealry equal player has a good chance at having made the same move.

Scottrf

Steinitz is a world champion not a 1500 and still has quite a few non top choices there.

If your opponents are matching the vast majority of moves definitely report them.

johnmusacha

Kleelof, with all due respect, think about what you said for a few seconds.

913Glorax12

Don't you know by now, c.c members do not like any change made by another member. It is a culture really, and I am no different, as I too find this worse than the system now.

If any change happens, it will be made by the staff and not by an individual person. All you can hope for it some intresting conversations, but not enough support to make a change

kleelof
Scottrf wrote:

Steinitz is a world champion not a 1500 and still has quite a few non top choices there.

 

If your opponents are matching the vast majority of moves definitely report them.

Okie. I suppose 'vast' was an inaccurate adjective to use. If I change it to 'most', can you accept my argument?

Even most of my moves often match Fritz calculations. And I'm pretty sure I don't cheat.

Here is an example:



I should point out, for those who have not used Fritz. You can adjust various settings. The settings I posted above may be considered 'low' by  some. However, they seem to give the the most helpful results for my current playing strength.

It is possible to set these so high that Fritz would be making alternate lines even for Carlsen. (Hey, did  you know Wikipedia has a Magnus Carlson?)

Scottrf

Ah if your settings aren't the strongest I'm really not sure how often I should expect to find alternates. If it's only suggesting alternates for inaccuracies rather than anything that isn't too move it would be different from the standard tests too.

kleelof
Scottrf wrote:

Ah if your settings aren't the strongest I'm really not sure how often I should expect to find alternates. If it's only suggesting alternates for inaccuracies rather than anything that isn't too move it would be different from the standard tests too.

It really depends on the types of alternates you are looking for.

(Sorry, I didn't understand the second part of your comment: "If it's only suggesting alternates for inaccuracies rather than anything that isn't too move it would be different from the standard tests too")

For a 1500 rated Online player, like me, it is pointless to have Fritz always suggesting alternates that would make sense only to someone with a 2012 Online like you.

Personally, the settings I use required a bit of work to get alternate moves that fit within or just beyond my scope of understanding at this point in my development.

Another point about determing if people are cheating based on their moves against an engine or dB is this:

If a 1500 - 1800 rated player were using these regularly, they would be much higher rated. And, if they just used them sometimes for very difficult positions, then, most likely, they will never be detected.

Scottrf

Sorry that was supposed to say top move. I initially thought you were comparing your opponents move with the computers top choice but this doesn't seem to be the case.

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