BY pressing the Draw button.
Claiming a draw after three-move repetition.
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Jul 10, 2018
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#3
The only "draw button" that I see when I am playing on my laptop asks me if I want to "to claim/offer a draw". If I press that it says "You have offered a draw" and waits for my OPPONENT to respond. There is o button that allows me to claim the draw & end the game.
If I am playing on my iPad, and I press "Draw" two buttons appear at the top of the screen, one with and "X" and the other with a check mark. If I press either button, the two buttons disappear and the game continues. I can't force the draw myself. I always have to have my opponent agree to get a draw. How do I claim the draw even if my opponent doesn't want a draw?
Jul 10, 2018
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#4
A claim of a draw IS an offer of a draw. Read the FIDE rules.
If you try to claim a draw in a real over-the-board tournament, and it turns out that your claim is incorrect (position not quite identical, etc) then your opponent STILL has the right to accept a draw, just as if you had offered instead of claimed.
blueemu wrote:
A claim of a draw IS an offer of a draw. Read the FIDE rules.
If you try to claim a draw in a real over-the-board tournament, and it turns out that your claim is incorrect (position not quite identical, etc) then your opponent STILL has the right to accept a draw, just as if you had offered instead of claimed.
But an offer of draw is NOT a claim of draw.
If you make an incorrect claim of draw, then
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9.5.3 |
If the claim is found to be incorrect, the arbiter shall add two minutes to the opponent’s remaining thinking time. Then the game shall continue. |
Does not apply in case of a draw offer. Only:
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11.5 |
It is forbidden to distract or annoy the opponent in any manner whatsoever. This includes unreasonable claims, unreasonable offers of a draw |
It is not unreasonable to offer a draw after 40 moves of endgame getting nowhere. It is bad etiquette to insist on playing an apparently hopelessly drawn endgame to move 50,0 - yet perfectly legal.
If a player tries to claim rather than offer draw when it's move 49, or move 51 but not his move, it would be legal for the opponent to say - "haha! Incorrect claim! I'll take my two extra minutes of time AND thanks for warning me to finally make the otherwise useless pawn push and reset the 50 move and threefold repetition counts!"
Jul 11, 2018
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#6
If the same position has occurred on the board 3 times, hence threefold repetition, you can claim the draw automatically without needing the agreement of your opponent. The position does not need to be repeated in consecutive moves however.
Gruber86 wrote:
If the same position has occurred on the board 3 times, hence threefold repetition, you can claim the draw automatically without needing the agreement of your opponent. The position does not need to be repeated in consecutive moves however.
No.
Merely "has occurred" is nowhere near sufficient.
The third or fourth occurrence of the position must have been created by your opponent´s move, with you having the move but not having touched any piece.
(Or there is the procedure to write down your intended move and call arbiter to make the claim).
My understanding is that if you hit the draw button and the position is in fact a threefold repetition, the draw is immediately declared. So my first question would be whether you are certain that threefold repetition has occurred (same side to move, same castling and en passant rights). If not, then I think you just offered a draw. Agree, it’s a poor interface.
#3
One of two things.
- your iPad app is playing up. Mine works just fine.
Or
-the position isn't actually drawn. Show us times when you've tried to claim draws and it hasn't worked, post them if you can.
One of two things.
- your iPad app is playing up. Mine works just fine.
Or
-the position isn't actually drawn. Show us times when you've tried to claim draws and it hasn't worked, post them if you can.
I think the easy way to look at it is that when it is my move I move the SAME piece to the SAME squares 3 or 4 times in a ROW, and my opponent follows suit that is an AUTOMATIC DRAW ! The same position must occur 3 consecutive times in a row as one poster stated and the game is OVER !!!!
Jul 11, 2018
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#11
"The same position must occur 3 consecutive times in a row" for there to be a draw? I don't think the same position must occur three times In a row. It just has to occur three times. And I believe that "the same position" means every piece on the board must be in exactly same position three times to claim a draw. I think this may be where I am mistaking my right to claim a draw: one of the other pieces not involved in the draw has moved, so I cannot claim a draw. Also, I believe it has to be the move of the person who wants to claim the draw in order for that person to claim it.
had a game yesterday where we i thought we might have repeated positions and i definitely was going to be a draw so i “offered” nothing happened; we were getting close to the 50 move rule anyways but then the game automatically stopped at the 3 move repetition
Jul 11, 2018
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#13
Gruber86 wrote:
If the same position has occurred on the board 3 times, hence threefold repetition, you can claim the draw automatically without needing the agreement of your opponent. The position does not need to be repeated in consecutive moves however.
It's not just the same position.
It has to be the same player to move
Both sides must have the same legal options.
Therefore, if White or Black triangulates, and the first two times it was White to move and the third time it's Black to move, that is NOT 3-fold. You need the position 1 more time with White to move or 2 more times with Black to move.
Also, let's say the first go round, Black still had Queenside castling rights. However, part of the repetition involved Black moving the Queenside Rook, you need 3 occurrences of the position where Black specifically did not have Queenside castling rights.
Jul 11, 2018
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#14
camounteer wrote:
"The same position must occur 3 consecutive times in a row" for there to be a draw? I don't think the same position must occur three times In a row. It just has to occur three times. And I believe that "the same position" means every piece on the board must be in exactly same position three times to claim a draw. I think this may be where I am mistaking my right to claim a draw: one of the other pieces not involved in the draw has moved, so I cannot claim a draw. Also, I believe it has to be the move of the person who wants to claim the draw in order for that person to claim it.
The position does not have to be consecutive. I once had an over the board game where I had a King and Two Bishops, Black had a King, Knight, and a-, b-, and c-pawns. The pawns had not moved, and after toggling of pieces, the same position occurred with the same legal options at Black's 53rd, 58th, and 62nd moves, not back and forth (i.e. 53rd, 55th, and 57th, which would be the case if it were consecutive times in a row).
daxypoo wrote:
had a game yesterday where we i thought we might have repeated positions and i definitely was going to be a draw so i “offered” nothing happened; we were getting close to the 50 move rule anyways but then the game automatically stopped at the 3 move repetition
Which is illegal even now. Automatic draw is 5th repetition, and that only since sometime in 2017. Before that, there was no limit unless properly claimed.
Does automatic draw on 5th repetition take precedence over subsequent checkmate or resignation?
Jul 11, 2018
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#16
jsaepuru wrote:
daxypoo wrote:
had a game yesterday where we i thought we might have repeated positions and i definitely was going to be a draw so i “offered” nothing happened; we were getting close to the 50 move rule anyways but then the game automatically stopped at the 3 move repetition
Which is illegal even now. Automatic draw is 5th repetition, and that only since sometime in 2017. Before that, there was no limit unless properly claimed.
Does automatic draw on 5th repetition take precedence over subsequent checkmate or resignation?
It was not automatic.
Your opponent claimed, whether it be 3 fold or 50 moves.
How do I CLAIM, not offer, a draw after the three-move repetition has been satisfied? When you ask for a draw it asks if you want "to claim/offer a draw" but it doesn't say how you can claim the draw without the agreement of your opponent.