Clock-suckers!!

No sides here Parsons. I've been playing 40 years and each year have learned to mellow out that much more.

The only person making this complicated in this forum is you.

Why can't you understand being polite has no connection to being down material?

What on earth will you do when you start facing players who will do positional exchange sacrifices against you?

or

Attacking players who will sacrifice for mating attaks against you?

Technically speaking they are down material from a mathmatical stand point

Do you expect them to resign?

You allow players in a 5 min blitz game to use 5 full mins.

Than you turn right back around and pick and chose who is allowed to use the full 5 mins you agreed too!

You do these things based on assumptions because you can not physically see your opponent!

How rude are you to set forth prejudgements on people with out having any evidence of what the h*ll they are doing?

I hate to break it to you buddy.

However, if a lighting storm comes around your house or nieghborhood and your lights go out.

Guess what?

Chess.com will send your opponent a message saying you abandoned the game with this little tagg line:

"slimcheffy may have violated our fair policy and his account may be restricted"

You've been proven wrong X_Box_Head, too bad you cannot just admit when you are wrong. Instead you type an overly dramatic and ridiculous retort completely avoiding the issue. Have you ever thought of seeking therapy?

I have not been proven wrong on this thread.

I honestly do not know were you come up with this statement.

Maybe I am missing something here.

The OP at the start of the game agrees that his opponent can use 5 full mins in a 5 min blitz game.

The OP believes his opponents are wasting his time.

Which means apparently his opponents are not using 5 full mins.

They are exceeding this allowed time and are using like 15 mins or something extreme.

It is clear to me the only way for his opponents to waste the OP time would be if they exceeded the 5 full mins which was agreed upon.

If however, the OP's opponents are simply using the agreed upon 5 mins than I believe there is no issue at all.

Everything is going according to plan!

No problem's at all!

Actually, you need to rethink.

Not every blitz game ends with one player running out of time.

It is possible to both save time and lose time.

I repeat: having an opponent "suck your clock" may save time OR waste time.

It all matters with how quickly the game would end after the losing player stops moving.

Say the doomed player has 2 minutes left on his clock. If the game was going to end more than two minutes after the player stopped moving, time was saved.

But do not forget the inverse: If the game was going to end less than two minutes after the player stopped moving, time was wasted.

However, keep in mind that in most cases, the losing player will be checkmated before his time runs out. If there is inevitable mate and the about-to-lose player makes a move and allows the checkmate, the time spent will be less than his remaining time on the clock.

So, to wrap it up, these "clock suckers" may save time but THEY DO WASTE YOUR TIME THE MAJORITY OF SITUATIONS.

So, in conclusion, X_PLAYER_J_X, you have been proven wrong. Understand that slimcheffy is correct, get rekt and have a nice day. 

Ok - lets say you phone me, and we both agree to a conversation.

Then at some point you put me on hold without telling me the conversation is over, and you walk away leaving me hanging. 

By your logic you have not wasted my time because I agreed to the original conversation.

What you don't seem to grasp is that in Blitz chess, much like a phone conversation, the time spent is only valid when both parties are still engaged.

The minute one party is no longer participating it is over. It is customary also to let the other party know that the conversation, or the game, is over by either saying goodbye or resigning.

If this is not done, the person on the other end of the phone (or game) is left hanging, thus wasting time, doing nothing, thinking the activity is still active. 

This type of behaviour considered rude, bad manners, poor sportsmanship, and shows a lack of ethics or integrity.

Is that clear enough for you X_BoX_Head? 

I hope so because I don't think I can dumb it down any more for you.

@aerodarts : actually I love a good steak, medium rare.

The thread has wandered certainly, but there's not much more to say about the original topic.  It's annoying, but it happens, it will keep on happening and if you don't care about winning you can resign, otherwise you can just tab away and do something else until the game ends.

The internet is a breeding ground for people like this - engine users, people who whine about not being given a replay, people who post death threats on others' notes pages and people who run their clock down.  It is what it is.

yup. there is a big difference in one who we call Bubba and the one who signs his name Bubba

well not to join on a hot contentious (and somewhat irrelevant) topic, but I have to say I see Slimcheffy's point.

a good sportsman doesn't just let the clock run down for no reason.

on the other hand 'irrelevant'. yes, poor sportsmanship amoungst ethugs?!

are you kiddin'?  the internet slugs are would be overjoyed to know that they could get under your skin- espacially after a losin' chess game.

some people HAVE no class- and thats a fact.  Another true Fact- as you improve in chess your tend to play more solid competitors.

I almost never see this in my 1500 elo standard, even despite the fact that G30 games would allow for ALOT of 'clocksuckin'.

get out of the 800-1200 blitz.   there's a heck of a lot of poor sportmanship in there.

Before I get a long post from Xplayer....

I HAVE read the page after page of posts from him and slim about this issue.  "Xplayer"- the point that slim is making is all about 'sportsmanship',"decency","courtesy",etc...

You could argue that chess is an all out battle of the mind, and that any mental strategy that is within the rules is acceptable.  you could even argue that if the opponent saw no hope in playing it; that staring you down and testing your resolve by making your wait nearly the whole time- is within his 'rights'....

'acceptable/ and within rights' are very different standard than what is 'nice' or 'sporting'.

you'd both be right and still pointlessly argueing.

as I see it- its VERY simple.

Clocksucking isn't nice & An Ethug chessplayer isnt' going to lose, nicely.

The best thing about people who "clockout" their losing postion as opposed to resigning is that they are showing you that you just rained on their ego parade. Also, if you think about it, it shows that their identity and self worth is based on chess games. So, really, instead of it getting under your skin it should make you feel thankful that your identity isn't wrapped up in a game's outcome.  

 we should not be angry about why it happened to us but since what clock suckers do is unethical, we should address it and talk about it.

"addressing it"

what the heck do you think anyone can do about it? 

if a guy clocksucks, its rude, it sucks, but Chillax- he lost his game.  there!

"addressed"

so we just neglect it and don't mind this unethical behavior? we should care. we can ask chess.com to be aware and be firm with it. once we talk about it, some players might become aware of their behavior and stop doing it. i am here to enjoy chess and nobody like this to happen to him.

@ "Rational" ,not everyone agrees.  see Xplaya's long posts.  I think its obvious that its rude and unsporting (at least a little), but if people aren't convinced 246 posts later?-- and trust me this isn't even CLOSE to the first long thread we've had about this.

and anyways Ethugs and trolls aren't going to kare.

some people are jerks when they lose!  

I don't view it as "neglect" more like "accepting reality".

btw, like I said earlier, play better chess in slow time control and its less of a problem.

SO to all people that didn't get the message in the first 246 posts- if you want to be nice and pleasant; resign when utterly lost, or play at a reasonable pace- so your op can get to his deserved checkmate.  if there's no last trick there's no point in wasting time (except to be a jerk).

there Rational,its all been said. I"ll look for a fat lady if you want....(American saying)

“Kilgore Trout once wrote a short story which was a dialogue between two pieces of yeast. They were discussing the possible purposes of life as they ate sugar and suffocated in their own excrement. Because of their limited intelligence, they never came close to guessing that they were making champagne.”

@thegreat_patzer - thanks for your comments, finally someone weighs in with some common sense. Your right, it's not nice to be a clocksucker!! 

What can we do about it? Probably nothing, once a clocksucker always a clocksucker. The only positive thing to arise from this Ethug chess behaviour is that I managed to coin a new phrase which I will continue to employ when encountering these unethical insensitive time sucking maggots.

this is a great story, deep, insightful and mildly antagonistic. brilliant really.