Clock-suckers!!

Get it through ur thick skulls. By accepting a challange to play a game of chess for X amount of time, you agree to the terms. Stop whining about an opponents behavior. Laugh it off or resign. You play for rating points? That is your issue. There are those that cheat, abuse the system, so what? Move on to a good game. All this crying, and I suspect many are playing for the wrong reasons.

Get it through ur thick skulls. By accepting a challange to play a game of chess for X amount of time, you agree to the terms. Stop whining about an opponents behavior. Laugh it off or resign. You play for rating points? That is your issue. There are those that cheat, abuse the system, so what? Move on to a good game. All this crying, and I suspect many are playing for the wrong reasons.

Respect for the game? lol.  The game doesn't give two hoots whether it is respected or not.

People disconnecting is annoying, but expected on the internet where there are plenty of morons.  Most of us just get on with it and move on to the next game.

You're not cheated out of anything.  If someone disconnects and doesn't come back you have a 100% chance to win the rating points.

The Goal Of My Post:

To help people understand how people who run out clocks are not sucking/wasting time.

They are saving you time.

This was touched on by Diakonia below.

However, Diakonia never really responded to the following response by slimcheffy.

I will now show how this happens and makes sense.

To fully understand this I have to break down the area's in Diakonia post which are correct & incorrect.

The part highlighted in blue are correct.

The part highlighted in green is not correct.

Now we begin understanding why some of what Diakonia said is correct and incorrect!

The below part is incorrect from Diakonia:

If you agreed to play 5 min blitz, you each get 5 minutes which equals 10 min.

When you start a 5 min blitz game you agree to play the full time allowed to both players!

Since both players start with 5 mins the full time allowed is 10 mins!

However, realistically you will never reach this full 10 mins.

The reason why is because the game will end as soon as someone times out!

Which means both players can never reach 0 on the clock.

As soon as 1 player hits 0 on the clock the game stops.

Which means both players will theoritically never reach 0.

Now lets give an example of this:

Player 1 has 0 on his clock he lost on time the game stops.

Player 2 can not = 0

However, Player 2 can come extremely close to reaching 0.

Which means Player 2 can have something like 0.1 or 0.0001.

Player 1 = 0

Player 2 = 0.1

Player 2 wins on time!

You can see how the game can have a total time of like 9:59.99 min, but it will never trully reach the full 10 mins.

Now you know why Diakonia's statement below in green is wrong.

If you agreed to play 5 min blitz, you each get 5 minutes which equals 10 min.

The Correction:

If you agreed to play 5 min blitz, you each get 5 minutes which comes close to 10 mins.

Or

5BGTT < 10 mins

5BGTT = can represent the 5 Min Blitz Game Total Time

The below part is incorrect from Diakonia:

If your opponent doesnt move, you now only have to wait 5 min or less,

Is this above statement true?

No it is not true.

Why is it not true!

The reason why the statement is not true is because Diakonia is not accounting for the time invested by both players!

He is only allocating the time cost of 1 player.

We need to use a "Combined Time"

What is "Combined Time"?

Lets go back to the basics and elaborate.

Chess is a game played by 2 players!

If Player 1 moves a piece. Than Player 1 uses Player 1 allowed time.

If Player 2 moves a piece. Than Player 2 uses Player 2 allowed time.

Both Player 1 + Player 2 are using seperate times!

Which means your total waiting time is the "Combined Time" of both players!

You have to account for it!

Now you know why Diakonia's statement below in green is wrong.

If your opponent doesnt move, you now only have to wait 5 min or less,

The Correction:

If your opponent doesn't move, you now only have to wait your opponents time + any additional time you invested.

Which will give you, your total waiting time or total time used!

The below part is correct from Diakonia:

You actually saved time. 

Diakonia hit the nail on the head!

You are saving time if your opponent times out!

Why?

Well lets go back to the beginning to understand!

When you agree to a 5 min blitz game you agree both sides can use the full amount of time allowed.

Which means you can use up to how much time?

Hopefully, you have guessed it!

The answer is 9:59.99 mins.

Remember never trully 10 mins.

You come very close!

However, you never reach it.

When you agree to a 5 min blitz game you agree to these terms.

Which means every 5 min blitz games you play should last 9:59.99 mins because you have agreed to this.

If the time ends before 9:59.99 mins than what does that mean?

It means we are saving time! H*ll yeah!

Saving time! Woooooot!

Now lets give a scenerio example:

Player 1 plays 20 moves and uses 3 mins during those 20 moves.

Player 2 plays 19 moves and stops moving on his 20th move!

Dang!

Player 2 has stopped moving! What is he doing?

Who knows? Who cares? Player 2 time is still running.

Player 1 is happy because he is gaining a time advantage!

Player 2 still doesn't move!

Game ends Player 1 wins on time!

What is the "Time" situation during this game!

Well Player 2 timed out using his full 5 mins!

Player 1 only used 3 out of his 5 mins!

Total  Time =  Player 1 used 3 mins   &  Player 2 used 5 mins

The combine time used was 3 + 5 = 8 mins.

The Agreed Time for the game was 9:59.99 mins.

The Actual Time Used for the game was 8 mins.

The Difference between the Agreed Time & the Actual Time Used is the "Time Savings"

9:59.99 - 8 =  1:59.99 mins

How much time did we save?   1:59.99 mins

Oh Yeah!

We are awesome!

Look at all of that savings.

We can play a 1 min bullet game with all of that savings!

My Gosh I wish more people timed out!

All of these Savings!

Plus the bonus of allowing me the chance to stare at my beautiful winning position!

Priceless!!!!

Yes, Slimcheffy get floored!

Get on the Dance Floor!

Than start dancing to the tune of all your savings!

You had 2 opponents who did this to you twice in a row!!!!!

You lucky guy!

I am so jealous!

I do not find Slimcheffy post to be about Sportmanship, no not at all. if anything, It is rather offensive.

Are you amazed at how far some chess players will go to wait for rating points that has no meaning? Then then try to rally the troops into backing them up by coming up with an offensive title that is play off the discrimination experienced by the gay community.

If someone is playing within the rules, how can they be a poor sport? Does that mean anyone following  the rules of chess is a poor sport?

The reality is: Slimcheffy is complaining about having to wait to have points added to his rating. If these points actually meant anything, he would NOT complain and gladly wait for the payout!  He would not be complaining about getting his Clocked sucked off. Who in their right mind complains about easy money and free Bj's?

X-Player's post clearly showed Slimcheffy he is saving time when someone stops making moves and he should get on the floor and dance and be happy! Why? Because now he has more time to try to win points that do not mean one damn thing or waste time by writing about it. 

Yet, some people will refuse to see the error in their thinking and reach for other arguments that make them look rather foolish. They continue to claim that their precious time is being wasted and the person who is wasting their time is a poor sport!

You've played 8 games in live chess, I've played over 6000.  I can guarantee a win is a win and a loss is a loss, all equally.

The game tells you what the rating changes will be in the even of win, draw or loss before you make your first move.  It doesn't change.

Diakonia post to you was simple.

In fact, It was expressed in 5 words:

" Abandon Players save you time"

The problem is Slimcheffy you did not understand the simple answer.

Which is what you said in your post below:

After saying the above statement it appeared to me as if Diakonia really didn't feel like explaining it to you so you could understand.

The simply and most logical reason why is because it takes a lot of writing and effort into explaining it.

More effort than one may wish to do on a chess forum.

Instead he looked content at having you dwell in your own ignorance.

Amused at how you are making yourself look like a fool.

Which I am afraid is what people in life sometimes do to others.

I passing by decided to explain it to you.

I explained it to you so you could understand they are not sucking your clock. They are saving you clock time.

Diakonia post to you a simple phrase telling you how they are saving you time.

I post a long-winded explaination telling you how they are saving you time.

I am not over thinking things.

I am not complicating the issue.

I am providing all the facts and laying them in front of you.

If you do not see how you are saving time here than you are chosing to be ignorant.

Which is your own personal choice.

One you are entitled to make of course.

In chess you are given an accepted amount of time which is mututally agreed upon by both players.

If they chose to use all of it or none of it.

They are well with in their rights to do so.

The agruement you are making is they have poor manners, poor sportsmanship, and violating chess.com fair play policy

BY USING THE TIME YOU ALLOWED THEM TO USE?

The problem with your mind set is when you become a stronger player.

Stronger Chess players will do these sort of thing to psychologically throw you off your game.

Stronger players realize it is tough to win games vs other strong players.

Unless they can cause you to lose focus, get upset, enter a position you are not comfortable with, or cause you to get annoyed.

It is a psychological distraction which can cause you to lose focus on your position.

If you "worry" about what they are doing with the "clock".

You can lose focus of what they are doing on the "board".

Which in turn impairs your judge and may result in you losing the game.

You are not entitled to another person's points until you check mate them or have them resign.

Until that time you should remain focused on the game.

sorry Darthy old boy, I must have missed that comment, wasn't paying too much attention to you I guess. And if you somehow got the impression I am mad...um ...I don't even know what to say about that one. Seems to me you were the one that came in here all guns a blazing, and now you are attempting to flip it onto me? Nice try.

sorry X_PLAYER_J_X, spin it anyway you want, but you will not convince me that people are not wasting my time when they abandon live blitz games. End of story.

X...let me post this politely.  Please do not assume i was trying to make anyone look bad.  Slimcheffy and I had a disagreement over this.  It was discussed, and it is resolved.  Dont try and fire something up that isnt there.

The person who looked bad was Slimcheffy.

&

You.

I didn't make an assumption.

I depicted a perception of you.

Based on your actions on this forum.

You made yourself look like a complete jerk.

I portray you in your jerk image.

Slimcheffy gave you a snide remark with 5+5.

Than afterward asked you a question.

Option 1: When other people say snide remarks you can be the bigger person and not sink to there level.

or

Option 2: You can sink to there level, but have to live with the knowledge knowing others will consider you just as mean.

In this forum you chose option 2.

Slimcheffy in all his snide remarks asked you a question.

You than did not respond to his question and said that sums things up and you are off to better things.

You are not being the bigger person by saying such things.

You are making yourself look like a jerk equally the same as the OP for insulting your intelligence to add numbers.

A bigger person would of answered the OP even though the OP was making snide comments to you.

A bigger person would of walked away with out saying a word at all.

You chose to respond in a negative way.

My portray of you is correct I am afraid.

It is very hard to be the bigger person when people are insulting your intelligence.

I myself have suffered similar issues on another forum.

Ultimately sinking to the OP level.

Only way to over come is to realize your mistake and try to move forward in a positive way.

X_Player_X. You have too much time on your hands so I am guessing that you don't have a job or you are in school like me well on the bright side you must have an easy time with essays and everything

Maybe chess.com just don't like you then since all my games have given me the rating change they say they will at the start.  Maybe you get strange rating changes because you play invisible games.

exactly! So why do people attack me for bringing up this subject? Maybe the naysayers are clocksuckers themselves.