Closing the Gap Rapid vs Daily Rating

My natural game is Daily where I can ponder the move as long as I like. My rating is usually in the 1400s.

I find Rapid (30 min) quite nerve-wracking and get flustered and often blundered to begin with. But recently I have been focusing better and my rating has grown from 700s to 1000s

I am wondering if other players in my position  ever got their Rapid 30min rating up as high as their daily rating?

I have never tried the blitz stuff. Cannot imagine how you can play at such a speed unless you are very familiar with the basic tactics and patterns. Having said that I have won quite a few Rapid 30min games in only 10 minutes so maybe I will give it a try one day.

 ^Thanks for the detailed reply and specific advice.

I do feel I need to sharpen up my openings as I am not well versed in the lines.

I tend to always play e4 as white so I will investigate those d4 lines you mention and the Sicilian defense.

My daily rating is higher than my blitz likely because I put more time into my daily game than my opponents do. I usually don't blunder in my games. However I did blunder a few times in an unusually sharp and complex daily game, and missed the opportunity to trap a knight and then a rook in another. How is my blitz rating high at all? Because even though I blunder, so do my opponents. They don't catch my errors. Or they do and I theirs. I win some and lost some. So far I've won all my daily games by surviving my opponent's attacks and then waiting for them to blunder. I've won all my daily games. With my rating hitting 1500, I think I'd encounter a real fight if I play some more games. I'm thinking about stopping here a while and just doing some studying. As for my blitz, I'll pull it back up on a day when I'm all rested up and have finished other stuff on my to do list, so my subconscious is not distracted. I'll then warm up by catching the blunders in my old blitz games. If I get my rating up to 1450, I'll take another study break.

I Agree! Daily Games often bore me, so i dont spend enough time to think. I usually dont spend more than at max 10 min on the most difficult move (a bot like OTB which is a nice format 2h or 1,5 h) but i much more prefer 15/15 or 30 min games. It comes closer to the OTB games in my opinion. Since time is alwaysw a part of classical chess. Also i got people blundering a piece in daily and all the sudden engine move till they win

Strangely no one has used an engine against me in daily chess. I do not last long against the computer. It will set up a pin, pile up on it, pull the trigger, then checkmate me a few moves after I want to resign.

 According to chess.com statistics, the average rating in daily is higher than blitz or rapid average rating.

If someone is playing 30 games at once, and I'm playing 3, that would explain why they blunder and I don't.

What happened to the 1st reply to the OP?

It was very detailed and useful.

Maybe I imagined it!

Not imagined. Your first reply indicates there was another.

I just know in day chess, your rating will be higher if you use more time, and lower if you make fast moves against people who use more time.

Don't look at my profile, you will get discouraged! Keep trying man, if you find a way or anything that helps, please share it.

Wow I really cannot believe someone can have such a big gap between Daily and lets say Blitz..

I get that the style is a bit different, since you can try to trap your opponent in faster formats, where the opponent has not much time to refute your decision which would leave you in a bad spot. But after some time some basic developing pattern in your openings should be imprinted in your mind, that will let you spot some really weird and most of the time bad moves instantly and punish them. I learned the most in Over the board games. The difference on over the board games and daily games despite the time difference is, that you force yourself to watch a game evolving for at least 2-4 hours. Which makes you more aware of the whole picture of the game. And in my case I feel like the closest to this experience comes the 30 min format. I would say its the tiny brother of the over the board game (for me at least) the persons are forced to sit down for some time and make good moves. Thats the reason I probably have better games in fast formats than in daily, just cause I forget about the whole picture and my plans over the time im not thinking about the game. So daily games never have the same feeling to me as over the board, blitz or rapid.. thats why I tend to play fast formats.

My daily rating might be a bit inflated (it might not), since haven’t played that many, but I am certain that it is above 1700 and I can easily stay there, even after many games. In daily, I can think as much as I want and apply all theory.

In faster controls, for sure can’t apply all theory and also, can’t calculate fast enough to avoid time trouble. Therefore, I either blunder or lose on time. Actually, one of “my rules” in blitz is to never think over positional moves, since I lose too much time. Also, one other rule is to avoid blunders, but can’t even follow my own rules when the clock is ticking. Maybe, I need to go as basic as I can, expecting to win on blunders or in endgame. How I play now, is always thinking how to win as fast as possible, losing time in finding something cute that most of the times is not there, or can’t find it. Also, I forget or don’t have much time to think of my opponent’s moves. I know I should, but I am wasting my time in creating something, forgetting that I am not playing alone. Very rarely my games reach the endgame.

Even though I am somewhat used to the gap, it never really stops to piss me of (just less).

I would be happy, if one day could play as good as someone like you in other modes apart from daily.

you should check your percentile in the stats section, you will then understand that a rating considered poor in daily such as 1200 is actually well above average in blitz and excellent in bullet. I doubt many players would have a bigger difference than myself, I'm simply not a very quick thinker. however, playing blitz and now bullet (which is addictive, fun and maddening in equal measure ), has really helped my speed of thought and understanding of my chosen openings. if you want to improve your blitz play try bullet. it will drive you insane for the first 20 or so games but when you bottom out and start winning you'll find when you go back to blitz 5 mins will feel like plenty of time. however, bullet is unlikely to improve your daily game much as you just won't be able to play very deep strategy BUT it will really help your rapid game as you'll be able to rattle through the first 10 moves or so and really put time pressure on your opponents. at the end of the day a lot of chess is openings study and pattern recognition and for this you simply can't beat fast formats. trust me, I found it impossible at first but you WILL get better. however i now played over 1000 bullet games and I'm pretty much stuck around 50th percentile, I. e bang on average whilst daily I'm in the 98th percentile!

>>you should check your percentile in the stats section

I am 1073 for Rapid.

My percentile is 52.6%

But it says the average rating for all 1.5 million players is 1120

How can I be below the average of 1120 but above 50% on the percentile?

Unless there is a significant difference between mean and median but that seems unlikely.

I think the way to close the gap, and get better at rapid is to play more daily games (and more rapid). In rapid we often miss the openings, but in daily we have the book, and will not be outplayed so early.  When we get the openings right, the rapidgames improve. The opening books in the daily gives us som openingfundament when using it a lot.   Analyzing games helps. Reading mastergames and listening to mastervideoes helps. The fastest player on the planet (Magnus) has played more than 1500 rated longchessgames. Longchess over the board is probably the best learning, especially when you analyze after the game with the opponent.

it is very simple: it can go way more above 1120 (like 2800) than below (0), which explains why the average is above from what u expected.

it took me 2 secs to understand that and yet I am still terrible (compared to daily, since I respect all ratings) at both blitz and rapid.

I am too working on closing my insane ratings gap (we can only go up... or so I hope)

So the mean (average) is 1120 but my percentile is 52.5% because that measurement is using median as the 50% mark?

I have a gap of 1000 between daily and bullet.

Lets say we have only 4 players with ratings: a) 500, b) 500, c) 600 and d) 2900. Player c is better than half the players while his rating is only 600 and below the average, which is 1000. The numbers are a bit exaggerated for demonstrating my point.

at least, that is how I understand it