Conditional move etiquette

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Bruiser419

Is there an etiquette to how many moves you string together in a conditional move sequence?  Usually I have no more than 1, though I don't usually use it anyways, but if you know that a series of moves will give checkmate, is it ok to go to 3 or 4 moves?  Thanks.

erik

absolutely. lay them down! :)

dwaxe

Personally, I am not offended by my opponents who use conditional moves to a large extent, and I cannot imagine anyone who would.

For checkmate, I usually make all the moves up to checkmate, and so then, they either resign or I have the pleasure of playing checkmate.

RN9

Agreed.  I understand though for people that woul disagree because it is embarrasing to an opponent when their moves are predicted or forced.  Almost like your controlling your opponent and your letting them know.

Spiffe

There is some subset of chess.com users who consider any use of conditional moves as a breach of etiquette, but that's such a ridiculous attitude that I don't care about breaching it.

Among the rest of us, play away!  Particularly in a standard "book" opening variation, you might go 10-15 moves before you get to a position that requires much thought -- might as well get to the meat of the game, rather than spending the better part of a month playing moves that have already been played many times before.

nqi

I use them for obviously forced positions e.g recaptures. I do not for openings etc. but that is simply personal preference and I have nothing against people who use them. It seems stupid to put such a feature on only to have it ignored due to a minority complaining.

fluffy_rabbit

I use conditional moves quite a lot. If I already know what my reply is going to a given move, I might as well make it. I have studying at university while holding a full-time job and running a company on the side, I log into chess.com once every 1-2 days, and I think I would be more annoyed as an opponent to be keept waiting, than being able to continue my game.

If the opponent wants more time to think about his move, of course that is fine too.

artfizz
PerfectGent wrote:

well i dont like conditional moves and always ignore them, moving on to my next game. which means that as a conditional does not create an alert their game languishes on the bottom of my game queue and is dealt with last of all.


Time, perhaps, to add some new sections to the Extended Personal Profile (http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/who-is-player-x) covering chess.com facilities I like and chess.com facilities I don't like?

As it happens, use of Conditional Moves is already included there ...

Ease-of-Play / Multiple Game Management facilities { Tick any that apply }

[ ] press SUBMIT to move (i.e. not Touch Move)

[ ] make notes during the game (either on paper or in the Notes tab)

[ ] use the Moves tab to rewind the game

[ ] use the Details tab to show captured pieces

[ ] use the Details tab to flip the board

[ ] display the algebraic co-ordinates on the board

[ ] highlight the square of the last move made

[ ] use Conditional Moves

Momadu

I really like the feature and use is often. I like it for forced moves and at times in the opening when it seems pretty obvious what is going to be played. Hell, if I am wrong at my predicted opponents move it does not impact me at all.

As for those who fine it insulting, seems kind of ridiculous. Why hang a round to wait for you opponents forced move?

rich34788
PerfectGent wrote:

well i dont like conditional moves and always ignore them, moving on to my next game. which means that as a conditional does not create an alert their game languishes on the bottom of my game queue and is dealt with last of all.


 Fair enough, you don't like conditional moves, but why? If the next move's obvious, whats wrong with speeding things up a bit?

onosson

The longest set of moves I put in to a conditional move list were of a long drawn-out game leading to mate... my opponent really should have resigned much earlier (his only mobile piece at the end was his king), and retained the option to do so throughout.  Every move in the conditional list was forced, and he should have been able to foresee the forced mate - why keep coming back to the game when the outcome should be obvious to both players involved?

 

This is the final position of that game, when he FINALLY resigned:

MapleDanish

I use it whenever people are playing on in stupid positions... it makes a point :P.

greekgeek

I remember the first time I became aware of this option.  My opponent had checkmate in about 4 moves, and I was astonished at how fast she was making her plays!  Laughing  I thought she was especially brilliant to move that fast.  Nope, it was the conditional move feature.

gabrielconroy

I don't use it that often, but I don't really see the point of getting annoyed by it. Fair enough, it is kind of like your opponent is saying "I'm in charge of this position", but if he is, then so be it; if not, then you get the pleasure of undermining his assumptions...

 

Here's one I used recently, by far the longest string I've done so far (it was a forced mate in six, with three possible defences.) I only put it in because I was pleased to have found a forced line like that, as obvious as it may have been. The conditional line starts on move 16:


artfizz

When the Conditional Move with Wildcards facility facility gets implemented, everybody will be using them!

Jythier

I like to use conditional moves.  It helps the game keep going when I know what I'm going to do in advance, and it also keeps me from forgetting.  And, often, it shows me how stupid a line is and I delete it really really fast. :P

IPA-Ray

I like the feature, especially to get through openings and forced moves. I have noticed some players never use the feature. For example, I recently had a game where the position where I took the guy's Queen with check and his only possible move was to capture my Queen. A move he made many days later. I figured he had other games he wanted to concentrate on but it kept a slow game from speeding up even a tad.

Beester

Conditional moves are allowed in correspondence chess within the USCF rules.  Where it is a distaste or not they are there, legal, and quite useful on this site...

 

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LoneWolfEburg

Being offended by conditional moves is ridiculous.

Repeat after me, kids: ri-di-cu-lous.

stats_man
PerfectGent wrote:

well i dont like conditional moves and always ignore them, moving on to my next game. which means that as a conditional does not create an alert their game languishes on the bottom of my game queue and is dealt with last of all.


 I am sure you opponents are just devestated to be at the bottom of your queue.