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Could you beat Morphy if he gave you knight odds?
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Mar 24, 2015
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#243
I don't know what is the purpose of creating such type of useless forums? What creator basically aims at?? Increasing his number of forums or giving a mindless topic to start a debate. Chess is still in exploring phase why don't players come up with useful ideas and start focusing something useful. I have seen so many idiotic topics and fed up of this whole crap!
I couldn't beat Morphy if he gave me his entire Queen side, 2 pawns of my choosing, and agreed to sit on the Throne of Swords during the game.
My ratings bear me out on this.
Regards,
Lou
Mar 24, 2015
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#245
IQ136 wrote:
I don't know what is the purpose of creating such type of useless forums? What creator basically aims at?? Increasing his number of forums or giving a mindless topic to start a debate. Chess is still in exploring phase why don't players come up with useful ideas and start focusing something useful. I have seen so many idiotic topics and fed up of this whole crap!
I think you're looking at this one-dimensionally. First, the forums are here to cater to a large variety of personalities and myriad of topics. Second, even trollish topics (topics designed to effect a reaction more than an answer) sometimes end up with some beneficial discussion as people tend to drift into unanticipated, often deeper waters. Some people have fun with these topics you term "useless" and "mindless," while others use them to spring into less "mindless" ideas.
Now since you are "fed up of this whole crap," I would expect to see you start and participate some useful and mindful topics (from your profile, I see you haven't started a single one).
Interesting about William G Thomas.
Lets say Morphy gets to choose the first few moves from both sides with knight odds. Now I think the bar is raised at least a few hundred rating points.
No.
IQ136 wrote:
I don't know what is the purpose of creating such type of useless forums? What creator basically aims at?? Increasing his number of forums or giving a mindless topic to start a debate. Chess is still in exploring phase why don't players come up with useful ideas and start focusing something useful. I have seen so many idiotic topics and fed up of this whole crap!
Relax. Just move on instead of wasting your valuable time posting about it.
flakco could, especially when stoned. 
Spiritbro77 wrote:
Morphy was playing blindfold exhibitions when he was NINE. He beat the hell out of Anderson. Who had a positive score against Steinitz. I think some of you are severely underestimating Morphy.
" severely under-estimating " doesn't come close.
Whenever an informed discussion of " who was the best " takes place, invariably Paul Morphy is part of that discussion/debate.
And not without good reason.
Todays top GM's have the benefit of Mega databases, computer programmes, GM tutors/coaches, full-time training schedules, and top level competition.
Take away all these "advantages" and transport today's players back to Paul Morphy's time.......I think the natural chess talent of Paul Morphy would prevail.
Transport Paul Morphy to the present time and give him time to aclimatise and have access to a good laptop.....his superior intellect would prevail.
Mar 24, 2015
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#251
leiph18 wrote:
Interesting about William G Thomas.
Lets say Morphy gets to choose the first few moves from both sides with knight odds. Now I think the bar is raised at least a few hundred rating points.
Agreed:
Spiritbro77 wrote:
Don't take my word for it........
MrEdCollins wrote:
You guys have obviously never tried it.
Here's a blitz game I played just now, against Stockfish. Stockfish gave me knight odds. Granted, IT'S A BLITZ game... Stockfish thought for just a few seconds on each move, but so did I. Although it's not a serious game, it's enought show how much knight odds are.
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Bd6 6.Bd3 Qe7+ 7.Qe2 Qxe2+ 8.Kxe2 c6 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.h3 Be6 11.Re1 O-O-O 12.Kf1 h5 13.Nc3 Rhg8 14.Nh4 Rde8 15.Bf5 Kd7 16.Bxe6+ fxe6 17.Re2 e5 18.Rae1 e4 19.Nf5 Bb4 20.a3 Bxc3 21.bxc3 Ke6 22.Nh4 f5 23.f3 Kf6 24.Kf2 b5 25.fxe4 fxe4 26.Kg1 Ref8 27.Rf2+ Ke6 28.Rxf8 Rxf8 29.Rf1 Rg8 30.Nf5 Rg5 31.Ne3 Rg3 32.Kf2 Rg6 33.Ke2 Rg8 34.Rf2 Rh8 35.g4 hxg4 36.hxg4 Rg8 37.Rf5 Rg7 38.Kf2 Rh7 39.Kg3 Ke7 40.Kf4 Rh3 41.Re5+ Kf7 42.Nf5 Rf3+ 43.Kg5 Kf8 44.Kf6 Rf4 45.g5 e3 46.g6 Rxf5+ 47.Kxf5 1-0
This isn't the first time I've played strong engines, with them giving me knight odds. It's not hard to defeat them. Morphy may have been a GM, but he was no Stockfish.
Morphy may also have had "supernatural talent" but a piece is still a piece.
Pardon my ignorance, but is there a simple way to play the above game on chess.com or do you have to play it out on a board? Alternatively, are most of you able to "see" the game by simply reading the moves?
Mar 24, 2015
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#254
Chicken_Monster wrote:
IQ136 wrote:
I don't know what is the purpose of creating such type of useless forums? What creator basically aims at?? Increasing his number of forums or giving a mindless topic to start a debate. Chess is still in exploring phase why don't players come up with useful ideas and start focusing something useful. I have seen so many idiotic topics and fed up of this whole crap!
Relax. Just move on instead of wasting your valuable time posting about it.
Thanks for giving me a reason to move on. I should continue the remainder of bernd rosen's classical book.
BA1955 wrote:
MrEdCollins wrote:
You guys have obviously never tried it.
Here's a blitz game I played just now, against Stockfish. Stockfish gave me knight odds. Granted, IT'S A BLITZ game... Stockfish thought for just a few seconds on each move, but so did I. Although it's not a serious game, it's enought show how much knight odds are.
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bg5 Bd6 6.Bd3 Qe7+ 7.Qe2 Qxe2+ 8.Kxe2 c6 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.h3 Be6 11.Re1 O-O-O 12.Kf1 h5 13.Nc3 Rhg8 14.Nh4 Rde8 15.Bf5 Kd7 16.Bxe6+ fxe6 17.Re2 e5 18.Rae1 e4 19.Nf5 Bb4 20.a3 Bxc3 21.bxc3 Ke6 22.Nh4 f5 23.f3 Kf6 24.Kf2 b5 25.fxe4 fxe4 26.Kg1 Ref8 27.Rf2+ Ke6 28.Rxf8 Rxf8 29.Rf1 Rg8 30.Nf5 Rg5 31.Ne3 Rg3 32.Kf2 Rg6 33.Ke2 Rg8 34.Rf2 Rh8 35.g4 hxg4 36.hxg4 Rg8 37.Rf5 Rg7 38.Kf2 Rh7 39.Kg3 Ke7 40.Kf4 Rh3 41.Re5+ Kf7 42.Nf5 Rf3+ 43.Kg5 Kf8 44.Kf6 Rf4 45.g5 e3 46.g6 Rxf5+ 47.Kxf5 1-0
This isn't the first time I've played strong engines, with them giving me knight odds. It's not hard to defeat them. Morphy may have been a GM, but he was no Stockfish.
Morphy may also have had "supernatural talent" but a piece is still a piece.
Pardon my ignorance, but is there a simple way to play the above game on chess.com or do you have to play it out on a board? Alternatively, are most of you able to "see" the game by simply reading the moves?
I can see the first few moves, after that, Morphy wins.
I can easily win against any engine with knight odds but it is not valid for human grandmasters. I played lots of knight up against and won, and i played 2 games rook up against a 2200 player it wasnt same and latter was harder. An engine will try to play best moves but human will delude you doing mistakes, attract you, give you false hope, bluff, will try to scare you. Always harder to play a human who knows what he is doing.
Also i dont believe engines better than humans is another issue
Mar 24, 2015
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#257
Spiritbro77 wrote:
Morphy was playing blindfold exhibitions when he was NINE.
That's nonsense. Read HERE for his blindfold exploits.
Mar 24, 2015
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#258
Giving pawn odds was often done back in the day to encourage spectator-betting on games played in smoke-filled gentleman's clubs. But giving knight odds was actually a showman's trick for Morphy. He gained some hidden compensation by castling sooner.
I have looked over several GM games and discovered that in many, 1 knight is required, and the other seems to be redundant.
No one in this thread could...
Who couldn't beat Morphy with knight odds is my question.
You for one without a doubt.