Cowardly Fischer

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Why the heck are you people arguing about this? There's no potential benefit.  You aren't these people, I'm under the impression none of you are related to them, and likely none of you stand to gain or lose anything based on the ambiguous outcome.  Let your passion shine elsewhere please, where you're less likely to offend somebody, or embarrass yourself.  

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I think that if Fischer were a "coward" he would not have granted Spassky an unsanctioned rematch after he beat Spassky in the WCC.

Kasparov has written in an annotated WCC game that he himself was afraid of Karpov. However, Kasparov still defeated im.

If an athlete chooses to retire when they are in their prime, instead of fading away, that doesn't mean they are a coward. There is nothing wrong with quitting after you have accomplished your goal. Eventually Carlsen will quit, and sure enough, the haters will call him a coward too.

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varelse1 wrote:
Patzer?

Like Fischers Bxh2?? In game one versus Spassky?

Your definition of a blunder seems lacking.

Fischer's 29...Bxh2 was not a blunder- just a risky move in a drawn position, which with optimal play would still end up drawn. The real blunder came up later in the game.

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"Eventually Carlsen will quit, and sure enough, the haters will call him a coward too"

If Carlsen after 20 years of refusing to play declares that he still is the World Champion, and calls the top ranked active players cheaters that are weaker than him, I'm sure he too will be called a coward. Even if he suddenly plays a match against Anand and calls it the World Championship.

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If you quit then I do not agree that makes you a coward. You have simply gotten older and rearanged your priorities. If Carlsen gets married and starts a family than his family will come first. Chess is not everything. However, I think even if Carlsen stops playing in professional tournaments he will still teach chess or be active in the chess community in some way. However,  Carlsen is probably not going to quit for a while. 

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@fabelhaft and others: I think you are confusing the mental illness Fischer apparently developed later in life with cowardice. You are focusing on the mental problems he developed, but not giving him credit for granting the Spassky rematch. I'm not sure why someone developing a mental illness would cause such animosity.

Then again, many (not all) Anand fans on this site hate Carlsen right now for no reason other than the fact that Carlsen is a stronger player than their Indian champ. It's absurd. Why hate and belittle great players and champions because they don't play for your country?

Jealousy.

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"I think you are confusing the mental illness Fischer apparently developed later in life with cowardice. You are focusing on the mental problems he developed, but not giving him credit for granting the Spassky rematch. I'm not sure why someone developing a mental illness would cause such animosity"

Why should he be given credit for only allowing a handpicked opponent outside the top 100 to play a "title match" against him, after 20 years without playing? What is there to credit?

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Fischer did prove his greatness over a career that saw him play the best players in 3 decades. When his detractors are dead and long forgotten, chess lovers will still admire his art.

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Mr. rdecredico:

You have forgotten your joker hat. Please wear it right now, you are way more entertaining like that. We do need more professional entertainers of your kind here. Best regards.

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rdecredico wrote:

Dude wants to build a house like a rook.

Perhaps it was just a joke. Ever thought of that?

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charles_butternucker wrote:

Ever thought of that?

Thought? Nah, he doesn't do such nasty things. Never.

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rdecredico wrote:

And even at that, all your blatherings are either nasty or trite or come right out of an engine doing all the actual work to figure out what moves to play.

Your bullshit gets by and fools 95% of the people that come to the site, but you just a joke, and an unfunny, and outdated one at that.

Said one of the rudest posters on this forum.

Want proof? Your next post will provide it.

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This discusssion esculated quickly

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Every thread on Fischer becomes as disturbing ascthe man himself

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Quote: rdecredico 

pfren: you and fischer a lot a like.  Really.  

When was the last time you looked in the mirror?  Eh? 

Both delusional people that have/had chess, and only chess, in their lives.  You have nothing else to offer.  

Nothing.  

And even at that, all your blatherings are either nasty or trite or come right out of an engine doing all the actual work to figure out what moves to play.

Your bullshit gets by and fools 95% of the people that come to the site, but you just a joke, and an unfunny, and outdated one at that.


Rdecredico:

I've randomly come across some of your posts surfing threads.  What are you so upset about? It's not Pfren and it's certainly not bobby fischer. IMO, you are fairly intelligent.. but perhaps not nearly as much as you believe. You are constantly demeaning, so ridiculously cynical about what seems like anything and everything in life.  It is depressing to read, and quite frankly I think you need some assistance.  I do not know your, nor anything about you. but something is clearly not right with you at the moment. Happy, healthy humans do not get off on severe deprecation, regardless if you are 100% right 100% of the time.  

I won't go any further because I genuinely do not want to this to be perceived as any sort of personal attack on you. You are a relatively smart individual, with probably a whole lot to offer this community. BUt something is clearly locking that out and quite frankly, it sucks.

get your shit together man. You and everyone else that knows you will be much happier that sentiment is based massively on personal exeperience- first to admit that.

 

As for the other guy, I don['t know anything at all about a Pfren and or what he offers the community.  But that's still enough to know that the 2 letters by his name are definitely not there because he's been taking his iphone into the shitter  at open tournys for the last 20-30 or so yrs.  

It's statements like that, that make it obvious your deflecting about something.  

 

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vikram_singh_k wrote:

Fischer at peak elo (theoretical) - 2900

Karpov at peak elo (theoretical) - 2915

 

Therefore Karpov > Fischer.

And Anand at peak ELO (provisional Indian) - 49,875

Therefore Anand > all the W.C.'s combined.

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pfren wrote:
vikram_singh_k wrote:

Fischer at peak elo (theoretical) - 2900

Karpov at peak elo (theoretical) - 2915

 

Therefore Karpov > Fischer.

And Anand at peak ELO (provisional Indian) - 49,875

Therefore Anand > all the W.C.'s combined.

Seems accurate to me

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Kinda wimpy calling someone a coward long after they've gone.

Much better to say it to their face while they are still are around. Far more interesting to watch.

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