Crossed 1600 Blitz !!!!!

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cyboo
Hey, Farm_Hand, do you know anybody named Preggo_Basashi? That nice person whom I miss very much seems to have been banned just as you appeared. So, I guess you wouldn’t know Preggo. (Wink)
blueemu

Was Preggo banned? I had assumed that he just closed the account.

bishbash1
Cyboo, would stick to a particular opening you most comfortable with, same with a defence so the first moves are robotic, then practice endgames.
Konnichiwassup

Congrats

Ice
Farm_Hand wrote:

Maybe you mean "opponents you beat" (plural) not "opponent you beat" (singular)

But even so, there's a better way to find your "true rating"

Various ways have been devised by mathematicians.

One of them is called the Elo rating... but some people don't understand math so they dream up simplistic ways like some sort of average of something or other.

 

heh.

This same guy said almost the same thing to me except he said it’s the average rating of the oppenents you beat and the average of the oponents that beat you. I asked what happens if I beat a lower rated opponent that I randomly got matched wit? Now by that logic I am actually worse by winning a game I am supposed to win hahaha.  

bishbash1
Sorry but you seem to have a hard time understanding, let me make it a bit clearer. If you are a 2000+ rating but the average rating of the person you beat to get there is 1700 it makes your visible rating a false one. Ie if you come up against a 2000 rating you will get spanked.

In other words you are not as good as your rating suggests.
Farm_Hand
bishbash1 wrote:
Errrrr no I mean as I said, your true rating is based on the AVERAGE opponent you beat it read correctly. Example my blitz rating is 2023 but the average rating of opponent I have beat to get there is 1942 so that is my true rating. Now I have my table set at only accepting opponents within 25 points, so to be a true 2000+ player the average opponent rating I beat will need to increase to 2000+
to be considered true.
I mean you can get to 2000+ by beat 1700 but it would be false wouldn’t it?

Looking at someones stats, such as average opponent, can give clues about if they're currently over or underrated, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. Your view of ratings is very simplistic, and frankly, it seems you don't understand them at all. For example you can accurately have a 1500 rating even if all you do is play 1400 rated opponents. This is possible because, simply put: the math allows it.

 

But it's true people can have certain practices that will pump up (or deflate) their rating. One of these things is playing a lot of rematches. To get an accurate rating, among other things you should play random people, and play often.

Other stats to look at is a person's most frequently played opponent, peak rating, and their rating history graph, but mostly if a person plays often, and random opponents, then their rating is very close to being accurate (which just means accurately predicting future performance).

Farm_Hand
cyboo wrote:
Hey, Farm_Hand, do you know anybody named Preggo_Basashi? That nice person whom I miss very much seems to have been banned just as you appeared. So, I guess you wouldn’t know Preggo. (Wink)

Yeah, that's me.

And no, preggo wasn't banned.

It says on the page whether or not a person has been banned or closed it themselves.

 

bishbash1
Ok my views very simplistic, ok will give you a very real view that I’m nearly certain will happen. You won’t play another game on chess.com for fear of losing the 2000+ you got from playing an average opponent of 1700 in just 9 games.

I will apologise if you get to the 50 game mark and are there with an average opponent over 1900, but I won’t hold my breath.
JayeshSinhaChess

Thx for the encouraging words guys. Things are a little rough in real life right now so I am not playing well and have sunk to around 1550 again.

 

Could go even lower.  However I have noticed a trend that when I hit a high elo I sink around 150 points after that, yo-yo between that range for a while and then get a run in a few months and break the new target.

 

So hopefully I would hit a new high sooner than earlier.

Having said that I do agree that a truer way to look at your elo is the avg elo of the players you have defeated in the recent games.

 

That being said I do agree that the true elo is the avg elo of the players you have defeated in the recent past. However the elo against your name is also a measure and I was pleased to have crossed 1600 finally.

Farm_Hand
ice3old wrote:
Farm_Hand wrote:

Maybe you mean "opponents you beat" (plural) not "opponent you beat" (singular)

But even so, there's a better way to find your "true rating"

Various ways have been devised by mathematicians.

One of them is called the Elo rating... but some people don't understand math so they dream up simplistic ways like some sort of average of something or other.

 

heh.

This same guy said almost the same thing to me except he said it’s the average rating of the oppenents you beat and the average of the oponents that beat you. I asked what happens if I beat a lower rated opponent that I randomly got matched wit? Now by that logic I am actually worse by winning a game I am supposed to win hahaha.  

Yeah, that's getting a little closer.

If you average the ratings of the players you beat and the players who beat you... then all you're doing is averaging the ratings of all your opponents.

In that case you could increase your "true" rating by simply playing higher rated players. Win or lose your average will go up.

So along with your opponent's average rating, you need to know the win percentage... and that's basically what a rating formal is. Two pieces of information: 1) The difference in rating between two players and 2) the predicted win percentage.

That's how you get tables like this

Rating diff = rating difference
H = expected win percentage of higher rated player
L = expected win percentage of lower rated player

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In rating systems, if you preform better than what you're expected to, your rating is adjusted upwards.

If you preform worse than expected, it's adjusted downwards.

 

That's why you can have an accurate rating by exclusively playing people rated higher or lower than yourself. For example from the table we see if you consistently score 64% against players rated 1400, then you're rated 1500. That's your real rating (although we're assuming those 1400s are playing all sorts of opponents and that their ratings are accurate).

Farm_Hand
bishbash1 wrote:
Ok my views very simplistic, ok will give you a very real view that I’m nearly certain will happen. You won’t play another game on chess.com for fear of losing the 2000+ you got from playing an average opponent of 1700 in just 9 games.

I will apologise if you get to the 50 game mark and are there with an average opponent over 1900, but I won’t hold my breath.

The first few opponents of a new account are always lower rated. Because I only have a few games it messes up the averages.

 

But look at what I said. I said one of the key things for an accurate rating is playing often. If you see a user like me with only a few games, and all played on 1 day, then of course it's not a reliable rating... it might happen to be accurate, but you can't trust that it is.

That's why you shouldn't trust my rating, not some silly fixation about average opponent rating.

 

Although if, after 50 games, I was anything below 1900, it would definitely be wrong. It would mean I was having a bad day, or possibly playing drunk as I usually do tongue.png

So, after 50 games, would I be rated 2000? Maybe not, but I would hope so. My peak (in both bullet and blitz) is 2100.

 

bishbash1
Well get playing let’s see who’s right.
Farm_Hand

Oooh, you're saying my real rating is 1700?

Ok, if the bar is that low, I have nothing to be afraid of grin.png

bishbash1
There is a very easy way to prove otherwise, set your table to play only 25 points below and play games, it is a chess site after all.
Farm_Hand

But I don't like to lose, I like to win tongue.png

That's why I play unrated games a lot, because you get to play a lot of noobs.

 

But ok, I'll play a few hours later today.

I can't promise I'll do 50 in a row, because that's probably something like 4 hours at least, and I'm not going to commit to 4 hours tongue.png

Ice
Farm_Hand wrote:
bishbash1 wrote:
Errrrr no I mean as I said, your true rating is based on the AVERAGE opponent you beat it read correctly. Example my blitz rating is 2023 but the average rating of opponent I have beat to get there is 1942 so that is my true rating. Now I have my table set at only accepting opponents within 25 points, so to be a true 2000+ player the average opponent rating I beat will need to increase to 2000+
to be considered true.
I mean you can get to 2000+ by beat 1700 but it would be false wouldn’t it?

Looking at someones stats, such as average opponent, can give clues about if they're currently over or underrated, but that's just one piece of the puzzle. Your view of ratings is very simplistic, and frankly, it seems you don't understand them at all. For example you can accurately have a 1500 rating even if all you do is play 1400 rated opponents. This is possible because, simply put: the math allows it.

 

But it's true people can have certain practices that will pump up (or deflate) their rating. One of these things is playing a lot of rematches. To get an accurate rating, among other things you should play random people, and play often.

Other stats to look at is a person's most frequently played opponent, peak rating, and their rating history graph, but mostly if a person plays often, and random opponents, then their rating is very close to being accurate (which just means accurately predicting future performance).

This is why when I check someone’s rating I consider their glicko rd as well. 

superchessmachine
Farm_Hand wrote:

Congrats.

When I was new, I thought 1300 might be impossible for me, so it was exciting to reach it. Anyone can have personally significant milestones. Good job

+1

Farm_Hand

Ok, so I'm just about drunk enough to start playing.

For reference here's my current stats (picture below).

Through the magic of not understanding math, @bishbash1 asserts that my "true" rating (whatever that's supposed to mean) is 1744. He can be so sure even though I've only played 11 games. Good for him.

Hopefully I'm able to play for a few hours and we'll see how that works out.

 

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TheMaudlinOne

 congratulations! i have had a similar feeling recently.. i switched to 10 minute controls and every now and then i can tag a 2000 rated player... i know they aren't playing their best or anything.. and its just online blitz.. but still.. a nice feeling