PhoenixTTD wrote:
Didn't Kasparov say there were only 4 people in the world who really understood chess and the rest were just wood pushers?
Those four "people" were 3-, 4-, 5-, and 6-man tablebases.
Cutoff Rating When No Longer Patzer ?
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plexinico wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
well i cant judge fm analysis, but to an amateur the games of a good IM look tremendiously better than that of a player below 2400...
and to an amateur like me there is even a world of difference between a good or solid IM and a weak IM.
ofc it only looks to me like that and i have no competence to judge it, but still thats my opinion
These are 2 different things which are and sometimes not interrelated:
There are good chess players who can teach. And there are also good chess players who can't teach for shit...
You don't have to be a GM to be a good chess coach at all...
to be honest the strong IM teaching to me was way better than the teaching of lower rated players and not really missing anything.
but then again, i guess we all need a marketing strategy, i mean i guess not all lower rated players want to play for 5 dollar a game chess...
Lou-for-you wrote:
I like the term grandpatzer.
That's Colby's (one of many) copywritten contribution's to the game. If you people could have known him, you'd have laughed yourself out of your chair.
PhoenixTTD wrote:
Didn't Kasparov say there were only 4 people in the world who really understood chess and the rest were just wood pushers?
and Kasparov (who I don't uphold off the chess board) announced he would NOT play anyone above FIDE 2000 in any simuls. So, FIDE 2000 could be a nice round, respectable number for breaking outta the world of patzerdom.
granitoman wrote:
jfiquett escribió:
wood pusher cutoff = 1300 uscf
coffee house player cutoff = 1600 uscf
Patzer cutoff = 1750 uscf
Decent player = 2000 uscf
e: Yes, I'm calling myself a patzer
Wow! I'm an International Wood Pusher!!!
BTW: i totally agree jfiquett.
granitoman ?
you're a IWP ? That's hilarious. Ok then, i'm a CM tipalia ! You know one of those 'chinese restaurant swimming sideways for one last gasp' type tilapias ?
indian1960 escribió:
granitoman ?
you're a IWP ? That's hilarious.
Indeed it meant to be hilarious so i guess i succeeded, thank you very much for your kind words.
chess_gg wrote:
indian1960 wrote:
Consult Dr. Kenneth Colby PhD wonderful read, "Secrets of a Grandpatzer". He thought anyone 1699 and down was a patzer. 1700 to 2199 was a GP. BTW, he was a SIGNIFICANT contributor to early days artificial intelligence and the modern day chess computer's ability to analyze.
I liked this definition.
So, I searched for this book. I have read so many chess books and still have quite a few that I have yet to read. I decided to see what the reviewers had to say.
There was only one and it didn't leave me palpitating to buy the book (it is $17.96...a lot for a patzer/grand patzer book).
I think I'll pass. But the review is "worth a read":
http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Grandpatzer-People-Computers-Chess/product-reviews/4871878872/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1
It'll keep you laughing that's for sure. And it's definitely thought provoking. In one chapter, he talks quite a bit about "The mysterious pawn-rook move" by your opponent - and your subsequent response. I'm not trying to push the book in any way - just trying to stay on the subject of what defines a patzer. For some reason he felt compelled to try to define it in copywritten text - my guess is because he couldn't break out of it himself. Hey, he was a psychiatrist. These people spend a lot of time trying to figure themselves out.
indian1960 wrote:
Lou-for-you wrote:
I like the term grandpatzer.
That's Dr. Kenneth Colby's (one of many) copywritten contribution's to the game. If you people could have known him, you'd have laughed yourself outta your chairs.
how can a general term like grandpatzer be copyrighted???
no wonder monsanto is an us company
PhoenixTTD wrote:
Didn't Kasparov say there were only 4 people in the world who really understood chess and the rest were just wood pushers?
just out of curiousity who where the 4 other people and when did he say it? not that i think anyone really understands chess, but i would really like to know
Sep 13, 2013
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#52
since patzer is from the German 'to spoil' I am guessing chessplayers never get past it!
TetsuoShima wrote:
indian1960 wrote:
Lou-for-you wrote:
I like the term grandpatzer.
That's Colby's (one of many) copywritten contribution's to the game. If you people could have known him, you'd have laughed yourself outta your chairs.
how can a general term like grandpatzer be copyrighted???
no wonder monsanto is an us company
ok, i take that back. He copyrighted a book called "Secrets of a Grandpatzer" - 1st time the word grandpatzer had been used in a book's title or subtitle. assume he'd made it up. the book was written in '79. and no, i'm sure he doesn't have control over the word like pat riley has over the word "threepeat".
indian1960 wrote:
TetsuoShima wrote:
indian1960 wrote:
Lou-for-you wrote:
I like the term grandpatzer.
That's Dr. Kenneth Colby's (one of many) copywritten contribution's to the game. If you people could have known him, you'd have laughed yourself outta your chairs.
how can a general term like grandpatzer be copyrighted???
no wonder monsanto is an us company
ok, i take that back. He copyrighted a book called "Secrets of a Grandpatzer" - 1st time the word grandpatzer had been used in a book's title or subtitle. assume he'd made it up. the book was written in '79. and no, i'm sure he doesn't have control over the word like pat riley has over the word "threepeat".
thank you very much for the clarification, would really be a shame if you could never use the term grandpatzer.
which brings up an interesting question. can you copyright the word 'grandpatzer' (or any other ?) - so if anyone wanted to use it to make $ they'd have to go thru it's owner ? it's not in merriam-webster's ('patzer' is) which is probably the leading legal source the courts would turn to. it's a made up word - but everyone in the chess world knows it.
Call a patent attorney....quick !!
grandpatzer.com - good website name. And NO, is hasn't been used yet.
Make that call....quick !!
Coffe house player describe a style more than a level. You might say that Andersen was a coffe-house player.
Sep 13, 2013
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Many people here reason that you are either an amateur or a master. How can you be a master if you are only better than amateurs? It´s like saying that a highly educated engineer is just above radio fantasts. What is an electrician then? I would say patzer ends at 1200 rating.
theliten wrote:
Many people here reason that you are either an amateur or a master. How can you be a master if you are only better than amateurs? It´s like saying that a highly educated engineer is just above radio fantasts. What is an electrician then? I would say patzer ends at 1200 rating.
It's the same way with everything. Take sports, for example: The best players become pros by beating all of the amateurs (college players). It's stupid to compare an engineer to a competitive field - an engineer doesn't prove his worth by beating other people. If you don't become pro by beating all the amateurs, how do you become pro? By beating other pros? But then how did they become pro?
Also, a 1200 can't go three moves without hanging a piece...
The best indicator of a strong chess player is mastery of the endgame, and (almost) no one below around 2300-2400 can claim that.
Sep 13, 2013
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FrenchTutor wrote:
theliten wrote:
Many people here reason that you are either an amateur or a master. How can you be a master if you are only better than amateurs? It´s like saying that a highly educated engineer is just above radio fantasts. What is an electrician then? I would say patzer ends at 1200 rating.
It's the same way with everything. Take sports, for example: The best players become pros by beating all of the amateurs (college players). It's stupid to compare an engineer to a competitive field - an engineer doesn't prove his worth by beating other people. If you don't become pro by beating all the amateurs, how do you become pro? By beating other pros? But then how did they become pro?
Also, a 1200 can't go three moves without hanging a piece...
The best indicator of a strong chess player is mastery of the endgame, and (almost) no one below around 2300-2400 can claim that.
You are mistaken in everything you say except the line I marked. You say that a pro is a master like there was no difference O.o. Clearly you misunderstand the master title. I will not argue with someone who clearly lack experience of the subjects to which he is refferring ^^. And you are unrated :D
well i cant judge fm analysis, but to an amateur the games of a good IM look tremendiously better than that of a player below 2400...
and to an amateur like me there is even a world of difference between a good or solid IM and a weak IM.
ofc it only looks to me like that and i have no competence to judge it, but still thats my opinion
These are 2 different things which are and sometimes not interrelated:
There are good chess players who can teach. And there are also good chess players who can't teach for shit...
You don't have to be a GM to be a good chess coach at all...