on a serious note, I’m not that good a chess player, but whenever I have e4 played against me, I’m always stuck on what to play because it feels like there’s no good move. but when white plays d4, it feels more free, in a way that I can play more moves that won’t lose me the game instantly.
so I’d say e4 is better than d4 for me, because it’s a more aggressive move and leaves less potential moves for the opponent, but that’s just my opinion, others might have different views.
icbm is easily countered because literally everyone knows it except -13yo
Dont try to educate this guy, i know he knows absolutely nothing, because all he plays is blitz, at 500
It's not like educating, we can help someone, if he/she having doubt over anything, even once magnus was only 1000 elo player, may be he could become a future GM too
Well, have fun helping probably the most stubborn person here, N.1, playing blitz as a beginner is horrible, relying on gambits is too, and caring about whether e4 or d4 is better by googling and not trying
"relying on gambits"
IM SORRY SIR PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR USING QUEENS GAMBIT AND STAFFORD GAMBIT AS MY MAIN OPENINGS
Those are openings, i meant traps, thats on me. like the Fried liver ICBM, etc etc.
Ah phew
e4 opens the diagonal for both the queen and the white bishop. d4 opens the diagonal for the black bishop. I prefer e4 but if you like playing stuff like queen's gambit then play d4.
Kings indian, benono, Slav, NimzoIndian, dutch etc. 1. d4 allows a wider variety of types of game, apart from the extremely solid queens gambit, which black plays rather than white.
on a serious note, I’m not that good a chess player, but whenever I have e4 played against me, I’m always stuck on what to play because it feels like there’s no good move. but when white plays d4, it feels more free, in a way that I can play more moves that won’t lose me the game instantly.
so I’d say e4 is better than d4 for me, because it’s a more aggressive move and leaves less potential moves for the opponent, but that’s just my opinion, others might have different views.
lets count all the "good" options, e5 e6 d6 d5 c5 c6 Nc6 Nf6 (8) against e4 and d5 c5 Nf6 d6 e6 f5 (6) against d4
Fried Liver is no good for white. Black gives up the d pawn and gets a good game. Some think that with best play white can hang on and win an ending but it's not easy.
Fried Liver is no good for white. Black gives up the d pawn and gets a good game. Some think that with best play white can hang on and win an ending but it's not easy.
i think traps overall are a bad option
I don't get why people say 1. e4 is more aggressive, except that it allows a Q move. But so does the Queen's Gambit. I think of 1. d4 as more aggressive. When I played in a lot of congresses I switched to 1. d4. All of a sudden I was winning in 35 moves instead of 55.
I don't get why people say 1. e4 is more aggressive, except that it allows a Q move. But so does the Queen's Gambit. I think of 1. d4 as more aggressive. When I played in a lot of congresses I switched to 1. d4. All of a sudden I was winning in 35 moves instead of 55.
e4 is more aggresive, the amount of moves to win doesnt really depend on the first move, but e5 is more aggresive, because it allows an early Kings bishop move, quicker castling and quicker attacking chances, meanwhile d4 is usually a more positional grind
But maybe 1. d4 is a far harder thing to play well because there's a lot of variations that look similar to one-another and ppl get confused. 1. e4 is vulnerable to the Sicilian with ...a6 and ...e6. Black targets the vulnerable e4 pawn, attacks it with pieces and the tries to play ...d5. If ed, black recaptures with a piece very often and the tables are turned. Black becomes dominant in the centre. All white might have is a Q side attack.
but Google says that d4 is better in some ways because
"Google says"? What the hell does that even mean?
Google's obnoxiously dumb AI? Or some random search result? Or what?
I don't get why people say 1. e4 is more aggressive, except that it allows a Q move. But so does the Queen's Gambit. I think of 1. d4 as more aggressive. When I played in a lot of congresses I switched to 1. d4. All of a sudden I was winning in 35 moves instead of 55.
e4 is more aggresive, the amount of moves to win doesnt really depend on the first move, but e5 is more aggresive, because it allows an early Kings bishop move, quicker castling and quicker attacking chances, meanwhile d4 is usually a more positional grind
With 1.e4, the "aggression" very often comes too early. Black can always defend and the methods of defence are well worked out. Of course, I wouldn't count 1. ...Nf6 and 1. ...d6 as well-motivated first moves for black. Nor 1. ...b6 more than likely, though that may be a tougher nut than the other two. Kings Indian games tend to last a long time though, when white plays positionally against black's bad bishop on g7, swaps everything off and goes for a queenside attack where white's minor pieces are far stronger and more mobile than black's.
I find that the moves to a win really does correlate with the openings played. How can white be aggressive against the paulsen Sicilian? That's a positional grind if ever there was one. Or for that matter, the French defence. Even 1.e4 ...e5 can be highly positional manoeuvring, against both the Spanish (the Kingside queen's gambit) or the italian.It's just that after 1. e4, black needs to know theory.
on a serious note, I’m not that good a chess player, but whenever I have e4 played against me, I’m always stuck on what to play because it feels like there’s no good move. but when white plays d4, it feels more free, in a way that I can play more moves that won’t lose me the game instantly.
so I’d say e4 is better than d4 for me, because it’s a more aggressive move and leaves less potential moves for the opponent, but that’s just my opinion, others might have different views.
lets count all the "good" options, e5 e6 d6 d5 c5 c6 Nc6 Nf6 (8) against e4 and d5 c5 Nf6 d6 e6 f5 (6) against d4
well yes… I didn’t count, it was just how I felt when it was played against me
also how do you define “good”
But maybe 1. d4 is a far harder thing to play well because there's a lot of variations that look similar to one-another and ppl get confused. 1. e4 is vulnerable to the Sicilian with ...a6 and ...e6. Black targets the vulnerable e4 pawn, attacks it with pieces and the tries to play ...d5. If ed, black recaptures with a piece very often and the tables are turned. Black becomes dominant in the centre. All white might have is a Q side attack.
the spanish variatons also look similar, and can get confused easily. also, youre saying "is vulnerable" to the sicilian, even though the sicilian is just fine for white, maybe the open is harder to play because of the many variatons, but not the Rossolimo or closed sicilian. and black might dominate the center with pawns 2>1 but in a lot of sveshnikov variatons theres a knight on d5 from white, so just equal again
imo anything that has a book move is balanced but btw most games with d4 draw more than e4
exactly
But maybe 1. d4 is a far harder thing to play well because there's a lot of variations that look similar to one-another and ppl get confused. 1. e4 is vulnerable to the Sicilian with ...a6 and ...e6. Black targets the vulnerable e4 pawn, attacks it with pieces and the tries to play ...d5. If ed, black recaptures with a piece very often and the tables are turned. Black becomes dominant in the centre. All white might have is a Q side attack.
the spanish variatons also look similar, and can get confused easily. also, youre saying "is vulnerable" to the sicilian, even though the sicilian is just fine for white, maybe the open is harder to play because of the many variatons, but not the Rossolimo or closed sicilian. and black might dominate the center with pawns 2>1 but in a lot of sveshnikov variatons theres a knight on d5 from white, so just equal again
White can't hope for a win against someone playing the Sicilian who really knows what they're doing. Well, white can hope.
But basically, you admittsd that the Spanish, which is considered white's best try against 1. e5, is a total grind with confusing variations just like the Queens Gambit.
I was recounting my actual experience, My average wins with white were 55 moves. I needed quicker wins with white to have bigger chance of prize money. I switched to 1. d4 and found my wins coming in 35 moves or so. That's a practical test.
imo anything that has a book move is balanced but btw most games with d4 draw more than e4
exactly
It's the other way round.
Depends what kind of game you like. The tactics in 1. e4 often wind down to a draw. 1. d4 allows more chance to play your own way. Also d4 is very slightly better, statistically. 1. Nf3 and 1.c4 are both very slightly better than 1. d4. 1. e4 is statistically the 4th best, so far as I know. But it really depends on what kind of game you like.