not to mention every antisicilian above 2000 gets cooked. so really they're not for any level
D4 is better than E4 and C4 and its also whatever works best for you
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Apr 1, 2025
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#283
KentexplorerchessW wrote:
Every antisicilian is bad. The Alapin Sicilian is bad for White. Look at every antisicilian, then look at the advantage; it always drops. Yes, you are correct: the Najdorf is a great opening for White; however, most often the Najdorf ends in a draw most of the time. When people lose against the antisicilians, it is because they haven't experienced enough of that line, but most antisicilians are bad; even if White has a slight advantage with these, it's still less, which is bad. Also in the Sicilian, there are many great variations with the Najdorf because of the fact that the Najdorf is a deep opening for both sides to have strong ideas that are barely stoppable. But often people who know enough about the book in the Sicilian have very high levels in elo, often making stuff like the Najdorf end in a draw. Again, there have also been crazy brilliant games for both white and black with many brilliant moves, and often each has had great defeats and great wins. Though yes, white or black don't have to choose a Najdorf Sicilian; they can choose other lines, but the only other great lines for white are the nf3 Sicilian traditional line, the open Sicilian stonewall, and also, at some levels, the McDonnell attack. Often it is also a great idea for Black to keep the Sicilian closed because White's goal vs the Sicilian can sometimes be to open it up and start crazy attacks, often having Black lose, but I have seen most brilliant games with Black keeping a closed Sicilian. Often open Sicilian is better for White and closed better for Black because Black actually gets great positions where they can hop in white position and start some kind of attack. In conclusion, it's a great opening for Black if they know every antisicilian counter often leads to Black's win, and with many other lines leading to draws, usually Black only loses if they blunder or open the position.
Not all anti-sicilians are created equal. The Smith Morra is probably the worst anti-sicilian. I wouldn't rate the McDonnell up there very high, either - white may as well play a Grand Prix at that point.
Black isn't the one who chooses whether to enter an anti-sicilian or an open sicilian, that's up to white.
The Najdorf is an Nf3 "open sicilian" line, and black is the one who decides whether to play 2... Nc6, 2... d6, or 2... e6. So I'm not sure what you're talking about there either. Never heard of the "sicilian stonewall" either.
I don't know why you're trying to debate this anyway, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about... you're 11 years old. You have not even been alive and cognisant long enough to know how to play the sicilian. I've been playing the sicilian almost as long as you've been alive, at this point.
a) if white white knows the open lines they're good for white. It's alot of theory, but...
b) if black doesn't know the anti-sicilian theory it can be bad for him.
Hence it's up to white to decide whether he wants to buckle down and study very hard, and play the open lines... or go for a more practical approach with some anti-sicilian lines - but not the Smith Morra. In either case the better player is likely to win. Sicilian is one of the most classic openings in chess, it is played at all levels in all time formats.
crazedrat1000 wrote:
KentexplorerchessW wrote:
Every antisicilian is bad. The Alapin Sicilian is bad for White. Look at every antisicilian, then look at the advantage; it always drops. Yes, you are correct: the Najdorf is a great opening for White; however, most often the Najdorf ends in a draw most of the time. When people lose against the antisicilians, it is because they haven't experienced enough of that line, but most antisicilians are bad; even if White has a slight advantage with these, it's still less, which is bad. Also in the Sicilian, there are many great variations with the Najdorf because of the fact that the Najdorf is a deep opening for both sides to have strong ideas that are barely stoppable. But often people who know enough about the book in the Sicilian have very high levels in elo, often making stuff like the Najdorf end in a draw. Again, there have also been crazy brilliant games for both white and black with many brilliant moves, and often each has had great defeats and great wins. Though yes, white or black don't have to choose a Najdorf Sicilian; they can choose other lines, but the only other great lines for white are the nf3 Sicilian traditional line, the open Sicilian stonewall, and also, at some levels, the McDonnell attack. Often it is also a great idea for Black to keep the Sicilian closed because White's goal vs the Sicilian can sometimes be to open it up and start crazy attacks, often having Black lose, but I have seen most brilliant games with Black keeping a closed Sicilian. Often open Sicilian is better for White and closed better for Black because Black actually gets great positions where they can hop in white position and start some kind of attack. In conclusion, it's a great opening for Black if they know every antisicilian counter often leads to Black's win, and with many other lines leading to draws, usually Black only loses if they blunder or open the position.
Not all anti-sicilians are created equal. The Smith Morra is probably the single worst anti-sicilian. I don't know why you're trying to debate this anyway, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about... you're 11 years old. You have not even been alive long enough to know how to play the sicilian. I've been playing the sicilian almost as long as you've been alive, at this point.
a) if white white knows the open lines they're good for white. It's alot of theory, but...
b) if black doesn't know the anti-sicilian theory it can be bad for him.
Hence it's up to white to decide whether he wants to buckle down and study very hard, and play the open lines... or go for a more practical approach with some anti-sicilian lines - but not the Smith Morra. In either case the better player is likely to win.
This won't help. At this point he's just another troll.
KentexplorerchessW wrote:
when I play the Italian in king of the hill when where not bumrushing are kings into the center and trying to play a normal game until the endgame I play it positionally I like that kinda Italian that one nice.
Nobody asked about king of the hill.
Apr 1, 2025
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#286
I meant the theory takes alond time I learned the entire sicilians theory by play 9 games with it just because somebody is not 2000 doesnt mean they dont know theory at all it uts means that they arent as good as a 2000 some people can know every bit of theory in the sicilian and how to use it in the middlegame but the other player is better at chess 1000 is all you need to learn the sicilian I do pretty good with it I lose more than I win but its my best theory its the only line I know that's good for me it gets enough win rate for my rating to go up. and my win rate to go up it doesn't lower my win rate that badly.
Apr 1, 2025
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#287
I only play the Italian in king of the hill it was more a normal game then king of the hill game ended in checkmate nobody ever put there king near the center
Apr 1, 2025
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#288
Can you name the 13 mainline open sicilians black can play? Since you "learned all the sicilian theory by playing 9 games" this should be easy for you. Go ahead.
Of course... 9 games isn't quite at 13 yet. You need at least 4 more games.
Bonus points if you can show the main lines of each one out to move 8 on the embedded board.
Infact... based on your comments if you can even do this for one line I will be surprised.
Apr 1, 2025
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#289
crazedrat1000 wrote:
KentexplorerchessW wrote:
Every antisicilian is bad. The Alapin Sicilian is bad for White. Look at every antisicilian, then look at the advantage; it always drops. Yes, you are correct: the Najdorf is a great opening for White; however, most often the Najdorf ends in a draw most of the time. When people lose against the antisicilians, it is because they haven't experienced enough of that line, but most antisicilians are bad; even if White has a slight advantage with these, it's still less, which is bad. Also in the Sicilian, there are many great variations with the Najdorf because of the fact that the Najdorf is a deep opening for both sides to have strong ideas that are barely stoppable. But often people who know enough about the book in the Sicilian have very high levels in elo, often making stuff like the Najdorf end in a draw. Again, there have also been crazy brilliant games for both white and black with many brilliant moves, and often each has had great defeats and great wins. Though yes, white or black don't have to choose a Najdorf Sicilian; they can choose other lines, but the only other great lines for white are the nf3 Sicilian traditional line, the open Sicilian stonewall, and also, at some levels, the McDonnell attack. Often it is also a great idea for Black to keep the Sicilian closed because White's goal vs the Sicilian can sometimes be to open it up and start crazy attacks, often having Black lose, but I have seen most brilliant games with Black keeping a closed Sicilian. Often open Sicilian is better for White and closed better for Black because Black actually gets great positions where they can hop in white position and start some kind of attack. In conclusion, it's a great opening for Black if they know every antisicilian counter often leads to Black's win, and with many other lines leading to draws, usually Black only loses if they blunder or open the position.
Not all anti-sicilians are created equal. The Smith Morra is probably the worst anti-sicilian. I wouldn't rate the McDonnell up there very high, either - white may as well play a Grand Prix at that point.
Black isn't the one who chooses whether to enter an anti-sicilian or an open sicilian, that's up to white.
The Najdorf is an Nf3 "open sicilian" line, and black is the one who decides whether to play 2... Nc6, 2... d6, or 2... e6. So I'm not sure what you're talking about there either. Never heard of the "sicilian stonewall" either.
I don't know why you're trying to debate this anyway, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about... you're 11 years old. You have not even been alive and cognisant long enough to know how to play the sicilian. I've been playing the sicilian almost as long as you've been alive, at this point.
a) if white white knows the open lines they're good for white. It's alot of theory, but...
b) if black doesn't know the anti-sicilian theory it can be bad for him.
Hence it's up to white to decide whether he wants to buckle down and study very hard, and play the open lines... or go for a more practical approach with some anti-sicilian lines - but not the Smith Morra. In either case the better player is likely to win. Sicilian is one of the most classic openings in chess, it is played at all levels in all time formats.
if youv'e played the Sicilian double the amount I play chess then why am I over half your rating Im not bad at the sicilian I know quite a lot of good lines Ive studied openings over half my chess career mainly the queens gambit Jobava London and Sicilian I know enough about the Sicilian.
Apr 1, 2025
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#290
Half of your chess career is like 1 year. You are an 11 year old. It's a meaningless statement.
You literally just said you learned all the sicilian theory in 9 games.
There are 13 open sicilians for black, so even in theory your claim is impossible.
There are people who spend decades studying just the Najdorf alone. The fact you believe you learned all the theory in the sicilian within 9 games is just a testament to how unaware you are. Which is not a surprise, since you're 11.
Maybe by age 12 you will have developed the brain volume to realize there are limitations to what you know. But as of this time in your development, you don't have that awareness.
Apr 1, 2025
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#291
najdorf, tradiotional line, bowdler attack, Smith morra, Magnus Sicilian, wayward queen Sicilian, alapin Sicilian, rank Sicilian, closed Sicilian, o'kelly sicilian, grand prix attack, mcdonnell attack
Apr 1, 2025
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#293
There are 4-6 variations of just the Closed Sicilian white can go for, depending on how Black responds. And the theory of your typical club-level player branches out and goes out to at least move 10. At higher levels people remain in theory up to move 12-15, sometimes even deeper.
Apr 1, 2025
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#294
I am the smartest kid in my grade my math level is ready for college claimed by tests I am aware that you underestimate kids like me my brain is well developed my entire life I had 1 c and I didn't mean I learned all theory in 9 games I meant learned enough theory in 9 games.
Apr 1, 2025
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#295
highest book in the Sicilian is 19 book moves each player possibly even more if you look at my dumbest games forum
Apr 1, 2025
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#296
I know lots of theory best in an actual game is probably 13 white 12 black of the semislav defense I don't often get that because everybody at my level barley knows there playing book after the 5th book move.
Apr 1, 2025
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#297
KentexplorerchessW wrote:
najdorf, tradiotional line, bowdler attack, Smith morra, Magnus Sicilian, wayward queen Sicilian, alapin Sicilian, rank Sicilian, closed Sicilian, o'kelly sicilian, grand prix attack, mcdonnell attack
Only 1 of these is on the list of the 13 main open sicilian lines. Most of the rest you've named are anti-sicilians, and many of them are never played since they're just bad - i.e. wayward queen sicilian.
See, you don't even know what an open sicilian is.
People rarely play O'Kelly but we could count it, it usually transposes w/ the Najdorf or Taimanov though.
Hyperaccelerated Dragon, Lowenthall, Kan, Taimanov Bastrikov, Taimanov w/ a6, Nimzowitsch, Four Knights, Najdorf, Classical, Dragon, Sveshnikov, Accelerated Dragon, Scheveningen. Those are the viable open sicilians black can choose from.
You've mentioned 1 so far, the Najdorf.
Apr 1, 2025
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#298
I don't know how to play the najdorf so I play different sicilians I know its name and its idea.
ruy lopez (spanish opening) is mostly played above 1000, but it's really only in the right hands above 2000.
i don't know why you would go for an antisicilian when normal sicilians for black are stupidly complicated, and any player under 2000 playing the sicilian shouldn't be taken seriously