D4 is better than E4 and C4 and its also whatever works best for you

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Magnus-Carlson-ME wrote:
KentexplorerchessW wrote:

This is the rating chart with the first moves that white might like from first to last advantage related placement


#1 D4 +0.33

#2 f3 +0.27

#3 E4 +0.25

#4 C4 +0.24

#5 G3 +0.18

#6 B3 -0.18

#7 F4 -0.22


so I turns out D4 is the best opening but E4 is actually the third best opening not even second the Reti opening is actually better then E4 Im doing the openings grandmasters actually think are ok or good


#1 D4

#2 F3

#3 E4

Best opening Queen's pawn opening second best opening Ret'i opening third best opening King's pawn opening

thats not how is was rated and f3 is a mistake. Its more like:

E4 and d4 both fighting for number one

E4 is Slightly better by the engine

D4 and Nf3 are pretty close but the engine slightly prefers d4 more

E4

D4

Nf3 Totally Fine too!

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Also Magnus-Carlson-ME I meant to say Nf3 is the second best not f3 nobody plays f3.

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e4: best by test

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Ongipongi wrote:

e4: best by test

Can you present a solid argument? It seems you lack one, aside from the nonsensical comment you made. I, on the other hand, have a strong case. If you refer to my initial comment, you'll find several compelling points. The move D4 offers the greatest advantage and boasts a higher win rate compared to E4. Additionally, fewer players are familiar with D4, making it more challenging for Black to respond effectively. There are instances of the Jobava London that can confuse opponents, especially when compared to the Fried Liver variation. In the Fried Liver, playing D4 can lead to a favorable position, but in the Jobava London, that strategy doesn't apply. There are specific lines that can result in winning one, two, or even three pawns, ultimately transitioning into an endgame that secures a winning position.

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1. No one plays the Smith-Morra Gambit, one of the above openings.

2. White is favorable in the second opening, a bad Alapin for Black,

3. No one really plays the Exchange Variation of the Rudy Lopez.

oh boy oh boy, THE RUDY LOPEZ LES GO

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Ongipongi wrote:

e4: best by test

Can you present a solid argument? It seems you lack one, aside from the nonsensical comment you made. I, on the other hand, have a strong case. If you refer to my initial comment, you'll find several compelling points. The move D4 offers the greatest advantage and boasts a higher win rate compared to E4. Additionally, fewer players are familiar with D4, making it more challenging for Black to respond effectively. There are instances of the Jobava London that can confuse opponents, especially when compared to the Fried Liver variation. In the Fried Liver, playing D4 can lead to a favorable position, but in the Jobava London, that strategy doesn't apply. There are specific lines that can result in winning one, two, or even three pawns, ultimately transitioning into an endgame that secures a winning position.

maybe you just lack not using AI or yapping about the stupid Jobava

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their both equal

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Jobava sucks final

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when OP first made this, the grammar sucked, he was stereotypical, and said e4 is blunder, and talked about a stupid meme. Now their point is better, but they are still stereotypical. Doesn't explain the upvotes lol, this should have at least -10.

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Play what you like....no opening makes you better or worse.

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Play what you like....no opening makes you better or worse.

yep

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I used AI to rewrite my grammar it kept giving me recommendations and stuff you guys argued about my grammar that's why I used AI by the way I never said that you can't play what you like it's in the topic. The Jobava doesn't suck at all your tip doesn't actually work ChessAGC_YT The idea of the arguments I made is my idea by the way the AI just can't resist not rewriting it from average or good to excellent or whatever it wants. I don't think you have solid evidence that the Jobava London sucks if your tip of the fried liver doesn't work at all since I have talked to hundreds of ASCF rated players and USCF and a majority of them know why it doesn't work because it wont happen. if you're lucky it will happen if you play the Jobava London it has a 80% chance of working for its ideas if they don't stop the attack. I've seen people at my level not even knowing how to deal with it and being stupid because many don't know the opening and how to counter it so it has a better chance at working.

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I'll change the start to my own words. ok

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I changed it to my own words now, the text that stands untouched I either had know knowledge of how to recreate or was what I would've said.

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what is blud yapping about

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Dude ur engine evals for opening moves are incorrect. E4 is higher than d4 and c4 starts with a very minor black advantage
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Rudy Lopez

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HisGregcellence wrote:
Dude ur engine evals for opening moves are incorrect. E4 is higher than d4 and c4 starts with a very minor black advantage

C4 is still around +0.1 or +0.2 for white

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The second game, white has an advantage after d4

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what is blud yapping about

real and hi motu