defending crazy openings

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I frequently get confused when confronted with an wierd looking opening that I have never seen before.  When I go to the game explorer board and run them, the quick result is generally "no positions exist in the database" which tends to confirm my suspision that this opening is poor, no masters would ever use it. 

Is there any tool on this site that explains how to quickly crush such oddball play?

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No.  Which is precisely why people play oddball openings.

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Hm, apparently it's time to wake up and go to work...

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Generally they make moves giving up the center, so take advantage and bring out your pieces and control the center!  developing new pieces faster then your opponent, castled etc, over whelm your opponent with sound develpoment!  It could also mean your opponent is a beginner like andrewf2002!?

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Download a chess engine (Houdini, Rybka, etc). There are several in the download directory. Just make sure to download a program that allows you to use the engines such as Arena. 

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Special hello to the Waipahu Kid!  Is this a problem guess what blacks best move is?

    Regarding the OP question, looking at his rating well I think you may confuse him, these modern openings are used by much higher players that have longed graduated from the triditional opening lines and know them well.

     Boy I would love to come out there and do some fishing for mahi-mahi, Once had a marlin hooked up but lost him.  Maybe I would bring out the oils and start painting again, especially the sunsets and sun rises!

Oh I played against Walter Browne, in a simultaneous exhibition, I was so excited I forgot how to play chess. But got his autograph.

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I played once against Walter in the last round, for the bucks (guess who got the bucks?).

yeres is right though, those Suttles games were great! (although you had to put up with that Keene & Levy book, which may be the worst chess book ever).  The point being that today's crazy opening is tomorrow's orthodoxy.

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mike2aces wrote:

I frequently get confused when confronted with an wierd looking opening that I have never seen before.  When I go to the game explorer board and run them, the quick result is generally "no positions exist in the database" which tends to confirm my suspision that this opening is poor, no masters would ever use it. 

Is there any tool on this site that explains how to quickly crush such oddball play?


You can, of course, choose from a variety of chess engines (e.g. Fritz) to help you analyze your games. However, because none of the openings that occur in your games appear in the database that you are using then I think that you should, instead, try to understand opening principles rather than try to carry out specific opening analysis of opening positions that are very rare (I mean, very rare in the sense that nobody plays them... not rare in the sense that 6.Rg1 in the Najdorf is quite rare!Wink).

My suggestion is: rather than using a chess engine (which is generally the best method, but not in this case!) as the primary tool for your analysis, I would suggest putting things on hold and just reading "My system" - the chapters on opening play at least. If the moves played against you seem "oddball", you must try to understand why they are oddball. Identifying that they are not the best opening moves is one thing... understanding why they are not the best opening moves is another! 

Also, paulgottlieb has offered wise words. Some "unorthodox openings" - which are distinctly different from "oddball openings" or "poor opening play" - can be actually quite effective.

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Crazy openings can be dangerous if not treated with respect. I understand that a common failing is to assume that they should lose at once and then launch an unsound attack.

The best advice I've seen is to just play according to principles. Develop, control the center, and let an advantage develop as it usually will --- maybe not a huge advantage, but a lasting one.

The "crazies" seem to generally have some sort of tactical basis in the form of traps for the unwary ... so ... be wary!

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Thanks for the feedback peoples.  Lots of good tips there.

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mike2aces wrote:

I frequently get confused when confronted with an wierd looking opening that I have never seen before.  When I go to the game explorer board and run them, the quick result is generally "no positions exist in the database" which tends to confirm my suspision that this opening is poor, no masters would ever use it. 

Is there any tool on this site that explains how to quickly crush such oddball play?


yeah, go to learn in the left hand corner and cick on opennings you should find it there