Defending Humanity's Honor

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DEEPFROGGER

Like Kramnik, I decided to pit myself against a chess program and hope for the best. Here's the result:

ponz111

Interesting game and seems to be very well played by you. I would have made the machine resign on say the 46th move. 

does not the machine have a "resign"?

DEEPFROGGER

Some engines do resign, some don't. It depends on the programmer's taste, really. 

JeffGreen333

I don't think computer ever resign.  They always play until the bitter end, in my experience.  

idoogy

you could have a mate with 36.Qf8#

DEEPFROGGER
JeffGreen333 wrote:

I don't think computer ever resign.  They always play until the bitter end, in my experience.  

Some do, actually. The GUI, Arena, also forces them to sometimes. And thanks, idoogy!

Scottrf
idoogy wrote:

you could have a mate with 36.Qf8#


36...Kh7.

DEEPFROGGER

Now that I look at it, Qf8+ doesn't seem to do much. Perhaps that might be why I didn't notice it -- for once, I hit the right idea!

Kens_Mom

Fried Liver would be the last opening I would have tried against a computer since I've been told that tend to do much better than humans in sharp, tactical positions due to their superior ability to calculate. But you won in the end, and that's what counts.  GJ

DEEPFROGGER

Thanks :)

I chose it because I know it well -- GMs do better than normal humans in sharp, tactical positions too, but would you completely change your opening strategy just because you are playing against one? That's actually an interesting thought.

Morris_W3

Most computers I'm familiar with always play for position and are pretty weak on tactics.  I couldn't understand 30...Qg5 and not Qe6

fvaisey

If you wish to defend humanity's honor against a chess computer.  Challenge it to a game of hopscotch after it beats you.  Or maybe bowling, tennis, ping pong, etc...  A chess program is a specialized piece of software that  didn't even learn the game on it's own.  Is our honor really at stake?

If anyone is challenging our honor it's the software engineers that can program a machine to beat most human chess players.  I've always been curious regarding the average FIDE rating of any chess programmers that play the game themselves. 

DEEPFROGGER

...Qe6 and then 31. Qxe6 is possibly what it was seeing.

Kens_Mom
Haiku575 wrote:

Thanks :)

I chose it because I know it well -- GMs do better than normal humans in sharp, tactical positions too, but would you completely change your opening strategy just because you are playing against one? That's actually an interesting thought.

You're right.  As they say, "Play the board, not the player."

DEEPFROGGER
fvaisey wrote:

If you wish to defend humanity's honor against a chess computer.  Challenge it to a game of hopscotch after it beats you.  Or maybe bowling, tennis, ping pong, etc...  A chess program is a specialized piece of software that  didn't even learn the game on it's own.  Is our honor really at stake?

If anyone is challenging our honor it's the software engineers that can program a machine to beat most human chess players.  I've always been curious regarding the average FIDE rating of any chess programmers that play the game themselves. 

I was merely quoting Kramnik :)

DEEPFROGGER

The computer programmers usually aren't all that great. For example, the founder of Deep Blue, Feng-hsiung Hsu, was a 1600 player (if my memory is correct).

Scottrf

Joel Benjamin, a GM, also had a hand in Deep Blue.

I think the 1600 player you talk about was probably just a programmer, whereas strong players are needed to tell them what to program, e.g. what it should consider better.

DEEPFROGGER

He was the programmer who started the project in the first place. Joel Benjamin's main job was to help discover weaknesses in the computer's playing, I think.

Scottrf

Yeah, which is really teaching it the chess.

DEEPFROGGER

But programmers have to write the program in the first place, and then of course there's always debugging...