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chessmaster54458

i mean what's to say the traditional/original game of chess that originated in India before European intervention was inferior..what if it was a more complex, in-depth game than "modern chess"

VyboR

Do you even realize that "modern chess" is a EXPTIME-complete problem? 

WIKPEDIA about EXPTIME-complete:

Notice that although we don't know if NP is equal to P or not, we do know that EXPTIME-complete problems are not in P; it has been proven that these problems cannot be solved in polynomial time, by the time hierarchy theorem.

Murgen
chessmaster54458 wrote:

i mean what's to say the traditional/original game of chess that originated in India before European intervention was inferior..what if it was a more complex, in-depth game than "modern chess"

If you know the rules of Chaturanga then you are in a good position to compare the two games and explain your findings to the rest of us. Wink

chessmaster54458
chesssummer2015 wrote:

Europeans ruined a lot of things.  They fought amongst themselves, and then they practiced slavery after removing indigenous people from their land.  After that, they helped other countries like Israel to do the same while other more civilized nations stayed within their borders.

 

Happy Monday by the way.

 

yeah and china is a bastion of peace and love

VyboR
chesssummer2015 wrote:

Europeans ruined a lot of things.  They fought amongst themselves, and then they practiced slavery after removing indigenous people from their land.  After that, they helped other countries like Israel to do the same while other more civilized nations stayed within their borders.

China:

Corruption Perception Index: rank 100 of 175.

World Press Freedom Index: rank 176 of 180.

Must be truly marvellous to live in China. And while slavery is banned in Europe, it is still common practice in China. Try to google the numbers. Oh wait, your astonishing goverment blocked google "to protect you".

batgirl

What arrived in Europe and evolved into Medieval then Modern was Shatranj, not Chaturanga.  If you want to play Shatranj or Medieval chess, then learn the piece movement, the rules and play it.  It's a very slow-moving, tedious game compared to Modern chess - which might explain why Modern chess caught on so quickly.

Pulpofeira

But the set looks gorgeous!

Pulpofeira

A Shatranj set.

zborg

Looks a bit like rectal suppositories.  Unfortunately.

I thought the Yanks gave us slavery, and the Brits abolished it ?

You better check up on that urban legend, too.

Murgen
batgirl wrote:

What arrived in Europe and evolved into Medieval then Modern was Shatranj, not Chaturanga.  If you want to play Shatranj or Medieval chess, then learn the piece movement, the rules and play it.  It's a very slow-moving, tedious game compared to Modern chess - which might explain why Modern chess caught on so quickly.

What did Shatranj evolve from? Laughing

batgirl
Murgen wrote:
batgirl wrote:

What arrived in Europe and evolved into Medieval then Modern was Shatranj, not Chaturanga.  If you want to play Shatranj or Medieval chess, then learn the piece movement, the rules and play it.  It's a very slow-moving, tedious game compared to Modern chess - which might explain why Modern chess caught on so quickly.

What did Shatranj evolve from? 

From the Persian game Chatrang.

Murgen
chesssummer2015 wrote:

Europeans ruined a lot of things.  They fought amongst themselves, and then they practiced slavery after removing indigenous people from their land.  After that, they helped other countries like Israel to do the same while other more civilized nations stayed within their borders.

 

Happy Monday by the way.

 

Where did the authors of "The Art Of War" and "Thick Black Theory" come from? Laughing

Murgen
batgirl wrote:
Murgen wrote:
batgirl wrote:

What arrived in Europe and evolved into Medieval then Modern was Shatranj, not Chaturanga.  If you want to play Shatranj or Medieval chess, then learn the piece movement, the rules and play it.  It's a very slow-moving, tedious game compared to Modern chess - which might explain why Modern chess caught on so quickly.

What did Shatranj evolve from? 

From the Persian game Chatrang.

Ah! An early form of chess, the name derived from the Sanskrit word "Chaturanga". Laughing

batgirl
zborg wrote:

I thought the Yanks gave us slavery, and the Brits abolished it ?

Although the Spanish conquistadors enslaved the native populations for their immediate purposes, slavery as an institution was introduced into the New World by the British. 

Pulpofeira

Gawwd!!

Pulpofeira

¡Olé!

batgirl
Murgen wrote:
batgirl wrote:
Murgen wrote:
batgirl wrote:

What arrived in Europe and evolved into Medieval then Modern was Shatranj, not Chaturanga.  If you want to play Shatranj or Medieval chess, then learn the piece movement, the rules and play it.  It's a very slow-moving, tedious game compared to Modern chess - which might explain why Modern chess caught on so quickly.

What did Shatranj evolve from? 

From the Persian game Chatrang.

Ah! An early form of chess, the name derived from the Sanskrit word "Chaturanga". 

Sure, chess ultimately finds its roots in the Indian game. But that game never made it to Europe, which is what this discussion is about.

sluck72
Murgen wrote:
chesssummer2015 wrote:

Europeans ruined a lot of things.  They fought amongst themselves, and then they practiced slavery after removing indigenous people from their land.  After that, they helped other countries like Israel to do the same while other more civilized nations stayed within their borders.

 

Happy Monday by the way.

 

Where did the authors of "The Art Of War" and "Thick Black Theory" come from? 

sure but we had Machiavelli. xD

Raspberry_Yoghurt
batgirl wrote:
zborg wrote:

I thought the Yanks gave us slavery, and the Brits abolished it ?

Although the Spanish conquistadors enslaved the native populations for their immediate purposes, slavery as an institution was introduced into the New World by the British. 

And everyone in Europe learned it from the Romans. The rest of the world invented it themselves.

batgirl

Romans didn't give us, the USA, slavery however.