Difference between 1500 and 1800??

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NervesofButter wrote:
nklristic wrote:
dude0812 wrote:

 800 rated player made a 1 move threat and the youtuber said that maybe this one move threat isn't so stupid after all because it provokes a weakness. However, after a couple of moves it became clear that an 800 just wanted to make a 1 move threat and had no other idea in mind. 

It is odd to me to address to you in English, but this may be interesting for someone else, so I will do it regardless.

There was a certain online chess test of sorts that estimates your Elo (of course  doing it is more or less for fun, it shouldn't be taken seriously). Anyway I did it 2 years ago shortly after I restarted playing chess after some 20 years, and my younger brother did it as well. I was always the stronger player, and the gap is not small because he was never that interested in chess.

In any case when we did the test, we got almost identical Elo estimation. Why? Well in some positions I did better than him, but in 1 or 2 positions he made 1 move blunders, as he didn't see the piece was hanging.

But in fact, those were not blunders, because there were very specific reasons that made those moves either correct or better than what I've come up with. So, his solution was good, but the reason why was beyond his understanding by a lot. 

It is like when you get the right answer in math test but you do it completely the wrong way, making several mistakes along the way that cancels each other out.

Those online chess personality and rating tests are like getting a 'Life Experience' degree.  It doesnt really mean anything.

 

I took an online IQ test that was advertising on social media. I took it twice. The first time, I got every question correct. The second time, I got every question wrong. In this way, I established the range of possibilities (65-135).

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NervesofButter wrote:
nklristic wrote:
dude0812 wrote:

 800 rated player made a 1 move threat and the youtuber said that maybe this one move threat isn't so stupid after all because it provokes a weakness. However, after a couple of moves it became clear that an 800 just wanted to make a 1 move threat and had no other idea in mind. 

It is odd to me to address to you in English, but this may be interesting for someone else, so I will do it regardless.

There was a certain online chess test of sorts that estimates your Elo (of course  doing it is more or less for fun, it shouldn't be taken seriously). Anyway I did it 2 years ago shortly after I restarted playing chess after some 20 years, and my younger brother did it as well. I was always the stronger player, and the gap is not small because he was never that interested in chess.

In any case when we did the test, we got almost identical Elo estimation. Why? Well in some positions I did better than him, but in 1 or 2 positions he made 1 move blunders, as he didn't see the piece was hanging.

But in fact, those were not blunders, because there were very specific reasons that made those moves either correct or better than what I've come up with. So, his solution was good, but the reason why was beyond his understanding by a lot. 

It is like when you get the right answer in math test but you do it completely the wrong way, making several mistakes along the way that cancels each other out.

Those online chess personality and rating tests are like getting a 'Life Experience' degree.  It doesnt really mean anything.

Of course I agree, it was just for fun.

I used it as an example that an idea behind a certain move is different for 400 and 2 000 rated player (for instance), even though both players might play the same move in a certain position.

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Below 2000, the main difference between any rating level is the number of tactical mistakes.  A 1500 is going to make a tactical mistake more often than an 1800.  An 1800 will make a tactical mistake more often than a 2000.  Above 2000, other things (strategy, and endgames) start to come into play more and more.

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In my experience very many people 1400 to 1500 try to win on time. Stronger players play a bit slower and more accurately.

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OTB 1847 vs. 1546



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Ziryab wrote:

OTB 1847 vs. 1546



This game makes me think I am at least 1500 OTB, although if this is USCF I have heard that USCF is inflated compared to FIDE, so maybe I wouldn't be higher than 1500 FIDE. 

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Chuck639 wrote:

Of all games, you post the London System?

 One typical characteristic of 1500s is fondness for pet opening systems that are better suited for much stronger players. That's part of what held me back when I was 1500, too. For me, it was the Reti. When I started playing more variety and classical openings like the Spanish and the Queen's Gambit, my rating shot up.

I chose it because it was the game in my database closest to exactly 300 point rating difference and near 1500 and 1800.

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Ziryab wrote:
Chuck639 wrote:

Of all games, you post the London System?

 One typical characteristic of 1500s is fondness for pet opening systems that are better suited for much stronger players. That's part of what held me back when I was 1500, too. For me, it was the Reti. When I started playing more variety and classical openings like the Spanish and the Queen's Gambit, my rating shot up.

I chose it because it was the game in my database closest to exactly 300 point rating difference and near 1500 and 1800.

I’ve witnessed people ride the London System and Reversed as black hard up to 1800, but then there are short comings afterwards.

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299 point difference online: 1545 vs. 1844. Sloppier because 10 minute game instead of two hour as in the OTB example.



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Ziryab wrote:

OTB 1847 vs. 1546



The 1500 may have been better until 31. c4. What a crazy move!

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From what I am experiencing is 1800+ are better in the areas of positional accuracy and slightly better in the end game which is why I choose to enter sharp lines  and tactical middle games; hopefully clinch it in the middle game, but no guarantees:

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/39168523179?tab=review

https://www.chess.com/game/live/19074986763

If my opponent can can suffocate me with positional accuracy and take away all my counter play, all the power to you.

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/35347608319?tab=review

 

Just not my cup of tea.

 

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It is hard to generalize, but this game shows one error that you'll see more often among 1500s than among 1800s: giving up too easily. I found a combination that created a dynamic imbalance, but likely still equal. My opponent (rated 1475 Rapid) resigned. I would have played on. Every 1800 would play on.

Perhaps my opponent overvalues rooks and fails to appreciate the potency of the bishop pair.



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1800-1500=x
x=300

The difference is 300.
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1500s are still blundering pieces in the opening to tactics, and they usually have a weak planning ability. 1800s have developed some positional and endgame skills and will usually be fine in the opening even against a very strong player.

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I asked a friend of mine who's 2300 and a coach how he'd describe the differences of each elo level, and what they should focus on improving... I thought his response was pretty interesting -

themes for improvement at various elos:

1500 / 1600 - learning when to sacrifice pieces, playing for initiative / central control

1700 - knowing when to leave things hanging / not take sacrifices, maintaining tension, being aware of potential sacrifices of the opponent, playing chaotic whole-board positions with alot of tension

1800 - complex positional and strategic play. work on combinations of openings / transpositions / thematic pawn structures

1900 - you must now always assume your opponent will make the best move, work on calculation. Learn to play for draws or other small advantages, do not take risks or make moves you're uncertain about / leave the outcome to chance, hoping it'll work out or that your opponent may not punish the move, that will not work any longer. work on endgames

2000 - seek to make your play more dynamic wherever possible, you must throw your opponent off their game to continue making progress

2100 - play positions that are dynamic, but play them in a way that's also solid, start studying dynamic positions in depth

2200 - develop the ability to respond to / draw / defend against anything. Resiliency in chaotic positions. Unbreakable play.

2300 - Play is solid even amidst chaos, and is now primarily focused on endgames and small advantages. Outplaying, wars of attrition. Buckle down and really master the endgame techniques.

2400 - develop the ability to play anything, including moves that aren’t ideal. Universal and flexible play more focused on principles

2500 - pushing the limits of what’s defensively possible in order to maximize your attacks / counterplay elsewhere. Small advantages gleaned from this ability

2600 - ability to find the very most obscure moves and tactics in almost any position

2700 - encyclopedic knowledge of the game, remembers historical games from random players 30 years ago

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The difference between a 1500 and an 1800?

The 1800 has read "Pawn Power in Chess" by Hans Kmoch.

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Pawn Power In Chess by Hans Kmoch...

https://www.chess.com/blog/RussBell/pawn-power-in-chess-by-hans-kmoch

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I never read Pawn Power in Chess. Or My System either, come to think of it.

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DrSpudnik wrote:

I never read Pawn Power in Chess. Or My System either, come to think of it.

I’ve read pieces of both, but was well over 1800 OTB before reading the first page of Kmoch’s classic.

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Skill issue, literally. Better tactics and positional awareness, as well as better rook endgames.