Difference between puzzle rating and live chess

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MammalBrain wrote:

1585 puzzles rapid 1046.. I've playing for close to two  years... I'm learning from my son who  went  from Rapid:800-1500+ in a year. Trying to  think systematically. I know that  sounds obvious to those of you who are on a higher level, but maybe this could be called "learning how to learn". The calculating part is crunching the  numbers to prove or disprove a possible move. When I get  stuck on a puzzle I leave it - if only for a few seconds... it's a state of mind.... just  so that  I can move on from ideas that  didn't bear fruit....  the if I'm still stuck I review ideas which seemed promising, and didn't seem to look right... maybe I missed the new  reality of each stage of the sequence... I like the themed puzzles because they build on a specific tactic, and inversely like the assorted puzzles where I can't assume anything..

 

I think I began to improve in tactics after practicing with books in Chessable.  It is useful to know well some common tactical patterns by learning through spaced repetition.  I am still struggling though to reach 2100. Even to stay at 2000 is not easy. 

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Part of the difficulty of blitz or even classical chess is to realize when you are facing a puzzle worthy situation - to sniff out a tactic - because I find lots of puzzles there is a good looking (and genuinely decent) move I would quickly play, not even sensing there might be a deeper idea. But often there isn't a tactic like that, and so the obvious decent looking move is the best move - I almost wish they threw some of those types of positions into the puzzle mix so I still have to consider if a boring non-tactical move might be the best in a situation.

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FooledByPawnShadows wrote:

Part of the difficulty of blitz or even classical chess is to realize when you are facing a puzzle worthy situation - to sniff out a tactic - because I find lots of puzzles there is a good looking (and genuinely decent) move I would quickly play, not even sensing there might be a deeper idea. But often there isn't a tactic like that, and so the obvious decent looking move is the best move - I almost wish they threw some of those types of positions into the puzzle mix so I still have to consider if a boring non-tactical move might be the best in a situation.

I understand your point.  However,  I think that giving non tactical puzzles would be rather frustrating for most people. I have some books in Chessable where I have to find not only a tactical move but sometimes the best defense. 

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850 blitz 2000 puzzles checking in. rapid 1200 normally. I review my games and do a lot of strategic mistakes, with the occasional blunder under pressure. Playing more games might help, it's just that tactics are much funnier than games, for some reason...

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max21214 wrote:

850 blitz 2000 puzzles checking in. rapid 1200 normally. I review my games and do a lot of strategic mistakes, with the occasional blunder under pressure. Playing more games might help, it's just that tactics are much funnier than games, for some reason...

Tactics are funnier because we can't really lose... But according to your puzzle rating you should be stronger in blitz,  at least 1300. Are you making a lot of mistakes in the opening phase?

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brasileirosim wrote:
max21214 wrote:

850 blitz 2000 puzzles checking in. rapid 1200 normally. I review my games and do a lot of strategic mistakes, with the occasional blunder under pressure. Playing more games might help, it's just that tactics are much funnier than games, for some reason...

Tactics are funnier because we can't really lose... But according to your puzzle rating you should be stronger in blitz,  at least 1300. Are you making a lot of mistakes in the opening phase?

You can lose... if you get the puzzle wrong you lose rating.

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Tactics are funnier because we can't really lose... But according to your puzzle rating you should be stronger in blitz,  at least 1300. Are you making a lot of mistakes in the opening phase?

 After analyzing my games, it is very often just 1(or more...) blunder(s) that kills the game. I just get careless in blitz I guess? But maybe it is because I have no rapid experience. I assume I need more practice.

here is an interesting example

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/6328295044?tab=report


You can lose... if you get the puzzle wrong you lose rating.

It feels like you are competing with yourself in puzzles, with no pressure, while in a game you can lose TO SOMEONE, which adds pressure.

 

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max21214 wrote:

Tactics are funnier because we can't really lose... But according to your puzzle rating you should be stronger in blitz,  at least 1300. Are you making a lot of mistakes in the opening phase?

 After analyzing my games, it is very often just 1(or more...) blunder(s) that kills the game. I just get careless in blitz I guess? But maybe it is because I have no rapid experience. I assume I need more practice.

here is an interesting example

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/6328295044?tab=report


You can lose... if you get the puzzle wrong you lose rating.

It feels like you are competing with yourself in puzzles, with no pressure, while in a game you can lose TO SOMEONE, which adds pressure.

 

Funny,  I checked exactly this game! I didn't like how you took your knight from f3 to the queen side, obstructing your own pawns. 

However,  you had a huge advantage after your opponent lost a piece,  but you didn't play well on the kingside afterwards.  By analysing such games you can learn a lot about how to prevent some typical mistakes. 

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I think tactics make me feel like I should be ''doing something'', and pawn pushes are never ''it''. So slow progress when no tactics and king safety seems to be my most important ''think before acting'' lessons.

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Bruh look at my puzzle rating. It is 2800 but my rapid is 1600. To be fair, I haven't done rapid in a while and recently started playing more rapid games. I think I can get to 1700 rapid with ease.

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max21214 wrote:

I think tactics make me feel like I should be ''doing something'', and pawn pushes are never ''it''. So slow progress when no tactics and king safety seems to be my most important ''think before acting'' lessons.

At your level it is good to have at least a simple opening and use it consistently,  so you can get experience with it. There are typical mistakes which occur in specific openings for both sides. Another important factor is to take care of the centre and to place your pieces on good squares.  For example,  in your game I mentioned already that your knight moved several times and at the end was obstructing your pawns on the Queen side. It is also important to prevent the opponent knights to get good outposts.  

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i am 1500 in blitz but have a 2700 puzzle rating idek what happened lol

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700 rapid 1200 puzzle

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I have problems going back to 1500 in rapid, although my puzzle rating is higher now, between 2000 and 2100.

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I have accepted my low ratings, I do not wish to be a good chess player anymore, I just do daily games and puzzles, to have fun

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My theory on those that have the astronomical puzzle-solving ratings is that a good number of them are skipping the ones they can't solve. I've noticed that whenever I leave and come back to the site in the middle of a puzzle, the page often refreshes and there's a new puzzle. I don't lose any ratings points for not solving the one I was in the middle of. Seems to me you could accomplish the same thing by just logging out and logging back in.

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lol

 

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seattlewag wrote:

My theory on those that have the astronomical puzzle-solving ratings is that a good number of them are skipping the ones they can't solve. I've noticed that whenever I leave and come back to the site in the middle of a puzzle, the page often refreshes and there's a new puzzle. I don't lose any ratings points for not solving the one I was in the middle of. Seems to me you could accomplish the same thing by just logging out and logging back in.

I think it mostly is a question of you getting used to certain patterns, but only being super super good at one particular skill/specializing in puzzles because your brain type is adapted to that kind of thinking. I know the ''skip'' trick and it is not useful long term.

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I have a theory about the differences between puzzle ratings and live chess. Every time I hit a new plateau with puzzles, I thought that was as high as I could go. But it kept increasing. Until I hit 2800. That's 1,000 higher than my chess.com rating and about 1,000 higher than my USCF. 

So my theory is that if you actually try at both, and don't take any shortcuts, you can figure one from the other with the 1,000 point difference. I think the reason I've been stuck at 1800 is because I'm stuck at 2800 puzzle rating. 

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I'm a beginner and I have about 500 rapid and 1150 in puzzles. I was also curious about this question.