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llama

Alexi Shirov peaked at world #2

And unlike Nakamura actually earned a world championship match (against Kasparov... which Kasparov ignored and played Kramnik instead #chessdrama).

So why isn't Shirov on the list?

Oh that's right, he's not some social media papega like Hikaru is...

 

Oh and speaking of matches with Kasparov, Nigel Short played one, and it was wall to wall coverage in the UK. So Short popularized the game for his country for a whole generation of players and played at the highest stage Naka never got to... but he's not on the list at all either, hmm.

llama

Aronian was consistently world #2, went to multiple candidates tournaments, and his peak rating is above Naka's peak ... unfortunately Aronian always preformed disastrously bad in the candidates... maybe his nerves got to him.

But he's not on the list at all either.

llama
williamjackson777 wrote:

Hoping blitz and rapid replace classical

Sure, then Naka could be a legend of chess. He does garbage speed runs (meaning he plays bad openings on purpose) while his chat spams memes.

He can't be a real legend, but if real chess dies, then he can be the legend of whatever the hell that crap is.

But we'd need a new list, a list that excludes people like Kasparov and include people like Eric Hansen.

Maybe the Botez sisters could be theorists, google "Botez gambit."

Sounds legit.

vishnu_vijay_93

Just bcoz naka is good at blitz and at streaming does not mean that he can be ranked as God of chess or even legend. Perhaps if the ranking was for blitz prowess hikaru would be legend,but ranking him ahead of fabi is just unacceptable. Players who are currently at his level at not even on the list. Aronian,artemiev,duda to name a few. I daresay duda is even better than naka when it comes to classical chess. As llama said, the whole thing was kinda scripted I feel. Even it wasn't, shouldn't u have someone else to finish the list? Levy is 2300 OTB,he could have been replaced by a stronger player I feel. Then again,I have no rights to say that levy is "below par" when compared to other IMs since I am a noob. It's just my opinion tho.

Redgreenorangeyellow
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:

Just bcoz naka is good at blitz and at streaming does not mean that he can be ranked as God of chess or even legend. Perhaps if the ranking was for blitz prowess hikaru would be legend,but ranking him ahead of fabi is just unacceptable. Players who are currently at his level at not even on the list. Aronian,artemiev,duda to name a few. I daresay duda is even better than naka when it comes to classical chess. As llama said, the whole thing was kinda scripted I feel. Even it wasn't, shouldn't u have someone else to finish the list? Levy is 2300 OTB,he could have been replaced by a stronger player I feel. Then again,I have no rights to say that levy is "below par" when compared to other IMs since I am a noob. It's just my opinion tho.

Levi is Naka'[s friend, so that is why. 

vishnu_vijay_93
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:

Just bcoz naka is good at blitz and at streaming does not mean that he can be ranked as God of chess or even legend. Perhaps if the ranking was for blitz prowess hikaru would be legend,but ranking him ahead of fabi is just unacceptable. Players who are currently at his level at not even on the list. Aronian,artemiev,duda to name a few. I daresay duda is even better than naka when it comes to classical chess. As llama said, the whole thing was kinda scripted I feel. Even it wasn't, shouldn't u have someone else to finish the list? Levy is 2300 OTB,he could have been replaced by a stronger player I feel. Then again,I have no rights to say that levy is "below par" when compared to other IMs since I am a noob. It's just my opinion tho.

Levi is Naka'[s friend, so that is why. 

I mean,u shouldn't be biased even if u are a friend of someone.

Redgreenorangeyellow
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
Redgreenorangeyellow wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:

Just bcoz naka is good at blitz and at streaming does not mean that he can be ranked as God of chess or even legend. Perhaps if the ranking was for blitz prowess hikaru would be legend,but ranking him ahead of fabi is just unacceptable. Players who are currently at his level at not even on the list. Aronian,artemiev,duda to name a few. I daresay duda is even better than naka when it comes to classical chess. As llama said, the whole thing was kinda scripted I feel. Even it wasn't, shouldn't u have someone else to finish the list? Levy is 2300 OTB,he could have been replaced by a stronger player I feel. Then again,I have no rights to say that levy is "below par" when compared to other IMs since I am a noob. It's just my opinion tho.

Levi is Naka'[s friend, so that is why. 

I mean,u shouldn't be biased even if u are a friend of someone.

I mean no kidding, but you are being too idealistic. It is always nice to flatter a friend, although Hikaru should have objected to Levi pouring compliments at him, and not have self-complimented himself. 

vegiemite

This question is a bit over the top...

No, Hikaru does not deserve to be above Fabi. But Hikaru and Rozman are both entertainers, and as this video is acting in an entertainment capacity and has no actual bearing on anything in the chess world (if this was determining would get into the candidates match I may agree with the outrage) the decision served it's purpose: it was entertaining.

Also, did you WATCH the whole video? Hikaru later relegated himself to legend, along side Fabiano Caruana. To be honest, the final list of legends feels perfect to me, with pretty much the list of "greatest of all time" conversation players filling the list (and Judit deservingly joining them). 

I'll also make this argument for Naka: he pointed out that himself, Caruana, and Aronian EACH could have had a real shot at WC if Carlsen wasn't in the picture, and this is a fair statement. No, Naka wouldn't be my first choice on the list, but I have no doubt that his decision to focus on growing the popularity of the game amongst casual viewers (regardless how you feel about this decision) was largely based on his realization that his shot at WC was growing slim.

As a whole, outrage over chess entertainers seems ridiculous to me. As long as the "drama" doesn't seep into their games, I see no harm in this kind of content. The disdain for it is the same unreasonable hatred of the PogChamps event- the content is not for everyone, but it is in no way "destroying the game" so let the viewers and players have their fun. 

Prometheus_Fuschs

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

vegiemite
llama wrote:

Aronian was consistently world #2, went to multiple candidates tournaments, and his peak rating is above Naka's peak ... unfortunately Aronian always preformed disastrously bad in the candidates... maybe his nerves got to him.

But he's not on the list at all either.

At the end of the video Naka stated he thinks Aronian should have been on the list. The list is clearly incomplete, and also clearly made for an audience (Naka's appearance on the list is necessary for that purpose- I'm surprised Levi didn't appear just for jokes!) There's only so long the list could be and hold an audience's attention, though. 

autobunny
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

Youngest ever IM and GM at the time the bunny believes, forget that she's a pioneer that broke into top 10 dominated by men.  The bunny thinks it's less dumb at least.  

vishnu_vijay_93
autobunny wrote:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

Youngest ever IM and GM at the time the bunny believes, forget that she's a pioneer that broke into top 10 dominated by men.  The bunny thinks it's less dumb at least.  

the human agrees with the bunny.

blueemu
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
autobunny wrote:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

Youngest ever IM and GM at the time the bunny believes, forget that she's a pioneer that broke into top 10 dominated by men.  The bunny thinks it's less dumb at least.  

the human agrees with the bunny.

She has also won tournament games against eleven former World Champions (Carlsen, Spassky,
Karpov, Kasparov, Smyslov, Anand, Topalov, Kramnik, Ponomariov, Khalifman and Kasimdzhanov).

Deranged
blueemu wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
autobunny wrote:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

Youngest ever IM and GM at the time the bunny believes, forget that she's a pioneer that broke into top 10 dominated by men.  The bunny thinks it's less dumb at least.  

the human agrees with the bunny.

She has also won tournament games against eleven former World Champions (Carlsen, Spassky,
Karpov, Kasparov, Smyslov, Anand, Topalov, Kramnik, Ponomariov, Khalifman and Kasimdzhanov).

The deranged madman agrees with the human, the emu and the bunny.

AthenaTheChessCub
Deranged wrote:
blueemu wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
autobunny wrote:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

Youngest ever IM and GM at the time the bunny believes, forget that she's a pioneer that broke into top 10 dominated by men.  The bunny thinks it's less dumb at least.  

the human agrees with the bunny.

She has also won tournament games against eleven former World Champions (Carlsen, Spassky,
Karpov, Kasparov, Smyslov, Anand, Topalov, Kramnik, Ponomariov, Khalifman and Kasimdzhanov).

The deranged madman agrees with the human, the emu and the bunny.

The wolf cub agrees with the emu bunny, human and deranged madman, altough the wolf has no idea who is Kasimdzhanov

KovenFan
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

It makes absolutely no sense.

 

Why would the best female chess player ever be a legend? Very nonsensical.

vishnu_vijay_93
MarcoDiazz wrote:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

It makes absolutely no sense.

 

Why would the best female chess player ever be a legend? Very nonsensical.

She was not only the best female chess player, but also has destroyed countless world champions many times. She is the perfect role model since she worked hard against all odds to become the legend she is today. 

KovenFan
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
MarcoDiazz wrote:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

It makes absolutely no sense.

 

Why would the best female chess player ever be a legend? Very nonsensical.

She was not only the best female chess player, but also has destroyed countless world champions many times. She is the perfect role model since she worked hard against all odds to become the legend she is today. 

Ok maybe I'm wrong. Which other female player would you rank above her?

vishnu_vijay_93
MarcoDiazz wrote:
vishnu_vijay_93 wrote:
MarcoDiazz wrote:
Prometheus_Fuschs wrote:

Judit Polgar a legend? That's even dumber than having Hikaru in that spot.

It makes absolutely no sense.

 

Why would the best female chess player ever be a legend? Very nonsensical.

She was not only the best female chess player, but also has destroyed countless world champions many times. She is the perfect role model since she worked hard against all odds to become the legend she is today. 

Ok maybe I'm wrong. Which other female player would you rank above her?

None tbh

vishnu_vijay_93

Hou yifan is the nearest according to strength but I doubt she will ever reach 2700+