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Conflagration_Planet
Monster_with_no_Name wrote:

90% of chess players are men
90% of IT workers are men
90% of university professors ( not including the soft subjects which shouldnt be in university anyway) are men
100% of childbirth is done by women

People do things they are good at , that they will succeed at.


OBVIOUSLY something is going on here people. Lets stop denying reality.

Look at our brains. Our brains control the release of hormones into our body, which makes our bodies into what they are. Compare the male and female body. Opposite.
Where we have bumps they dont and vice versa. Womens shoulders are small and waists are big, ours are vice versa. We have sharper anglular features they have smooth rounder ones. And so on.

So the brain thats evolve over millions of years, and controls essentially everything that goes on in the human body, if this organ dispenses hormones so differently in male/female would it be a huge revelation that many other elements of the brain between the sexes are also different?

Evidence for this is clear as day… look at the roles women take on as jobs versus men. Look at how women behave together in groups compared to men.

All this evidence we are surrounded by, and then we look at chess as well which is hugely male dominated and we ignore all the things above Ive mentioned and say women are oppressed and men intimidate them so thats why they dont compete. Seriously?

Yes Polgar and Yifan are 2 very rare exceptions, they have more male type brains than average women, but they cant compete with the top men, just as in the olympics women cant beat the men either. No one likes to lose, espesically when its against the opposite sex, thats why women dont play chess.

So women are only good at making babies, then?

binblaster
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

So women are only good at making babies, then?

lol

Conflagration_Planet
bin blaster wrote:
Conflagration_Planet wrote:

So women are only good at making babies, then?

L0l

Which is just a biological function.

sgamer4life

To let you know, the only reason men and women are anatomically dissimilar is because of the release of estrogen vs testosterone. That is the reason behind a male's sharper features, difference in athletic ability/muscle mass, a small part of the reason women are able to bear children (this of course is mostly because they have two x chromosomes), and the reason for every other physical difference you listed in your post. It may even be apart of the reason women shy away from chess and IT positions, but it has no correlation with intellectual intelligence. This was one of the most sexist posts I have ever read, partially because you tried to give a pseudo-scientific reason behind a woman's inferiority to men. It is strange that something so stupid would be on a chess site. I am a male by the way.

theoreticalboy
sgamer4life wrote:

It is strange that something so stupid would be on a chess site. 

No, no it isn't.

Conflagration_Planet
sgamer4life wrote:

To let you know, the only reason men and women are anatomically dissimilar is because of the release of estrogen vs testosterone. That is the reason behind a male's sharper features, difference in athletic ability/muscle mass, a small part of the reason women are able to bear children (this of course is mostly because they have two x chromosomes), and the reason for every other physical difference you listed in your post. It may even be apart of the reason women shy away from chess and IT positions, but it has no correlation with intellectual intelligence. This was one of the most sexist posts I have ever read, partially because you tried to give a pseudo-scientific reason behind a woman's inferiority to men. It is strange that something so stupid would be on a chess site. I am a male by the way.

It is true that men have been telling women they're mentally inferior for centuries, and centuries. A lot of women seem to believe it too.

Here_Is_Plenty
cwwiss wrote:

My sister,who is much more intelligent than me, taught me chess and I beat her in our second game. That was about 50 years ago and she hasn't played since! Chess is really supposed to be all about analysis and problem solving rather than winning but in truth..'it's about winning'!! lol

Interesting.  I take it then you have never let a child win a game to encourage them?  And maybe she hasnt played you since as she didnt want to disillusion you...And one of the best games (on a personal level) I have played was one I didn't win.  Sometimes its just about holding off a far better player for a while, or having a crowd of people watch your game, or maybe even what you hope to learn just by playing.

Iknowthemoves
Here_Is_Plenty wrote:
cwwiss wrote:

My sister,who is much more intelligent than me, taught me chess and I beat her in our second game. That was about 50 years ago and she hasn't played since! Chess is really supposed to be all about analysis and problem solving rather than winning but in truth..'it's about winning'!! lol

Interesting.  I take it then you have never let a child win a game to encourage them?  And maybe she hasnt played you since as she didnt want to disillusion you...And one of the best games (on a personal level) I have played was one I didn't win.  Sometimes its just about holding off a far better player for a while, or having a crowd of people watch your game, or maybe even what you hope to learn just by playing.

Nope,she just hated losing especially to me.The third game I played was against her boy friend who was a university chess player 10 years my senior...I beat him in about 10 moves!

She just hated the thought of me being better than her at anything. She won't even accept that I truely love Shakespeare because she can't grasp it!

Here_Is_Plenty

Do women enjoy chess?

1) Having seen When Harry met Sally, I am sure they can fake enjoying chess if they have to, so who can tell?

2) Once you meet one you can ask them.  Although see point 1, I suspect they may lie.

3) A better question is "does chess enjoy women?"  It at least opens up the possibility that chess is a conscious thing that studies us as much as we study it, potentially more interesting to think about.  The question as originally posed invites no solid thought but spirals rapidly into other debates, such as the above ones regarding mens ability to make babies.  Sigh.

chess_kebabs
Here_Is_Plenty wrote:

Do women enjoy chess?

1) Having seen When Harry met Sally, I am sure they can fake enjoying chess if they have to, so who can tell?

2) Once you meet one you can ask them.  Although see point 1, I suspect they may lie.

3) A better question is "does chess enjoy women?"  It at least opens up the possibility that chess is a conscious thing that studies us as much as we study it, potentially more interesting to think about.  The question as originally posed invites no solid thought but spirals rapidly into other debates, such as the above ones regarding mens ability to make babies.  Sigh.

And men never lie do they?  What about the thousands of chess.com MALE members that have been banned here for cheating? Weren't they lying to us pretending to be playing honest clean games? 

chess_kebabs

And we all know that the X chromosome stands for X-factor. Laughing

Here_Is_Plenty

Chess-ke-babes, I think you may have missed the not-so-subtle attempt at humour there.  The OP's question is what I was poking fun at, same as in a much earlier post when I replied "More than they like stupid questions".

chess_kebabs

Bottom line is yes women do enjoy playing chess just as much as men. Obviously some men enjoy it more than some women and some women enjoy it more than some men. And there are thousands of great female chess players, not just the top few women Grandmasters, who could beat the asses of most of the guys here.  Cool

chess_kebabs
Here_Is_Plenty wrote:

Chess-ke-babes, I think you may have missed the not-so-subtle attempt at humour there.  The OP's question is what I was poking fun at, same as in a much earlier post when I replied "More than they like stupid questions".

oops, sorry. Laughing

chess_kebabs

But I do make a good point about male cheaters in chess and in many sports. But I know some women cheat also. Just seems like it's mainly men we  hear about, especially in the physical sports.

Ok, I know am going off on a tangent here but might as well when what's left to discuss about women enjoying chess. We OBVIOUSLY do or we wouldn't play it. 

Here_Is_Plenty
chess_kebabs wrote:

But I do make a good point about male cheaters in chess and in many sports. But I know some women cheat also. Just seems like it's mainly men we  hear about, especially in the physical sports.

Ok, I know am going off on a tangent here but might as well when what's left to discuss about women enjoying chess. We OBVIOUSLY do or we wouldn't play it. 

Yeah but you dont hear of too many men taking female hormones to compete at the olympics. Innocent  I'm just saying...

chess_kebabs
Here_Is_Plenty wrote:
chess_kebabs wrote:

But I do make a good point about male cheaters in chess and in many sports. But I know some women cheat also. Just seems like it's mainly men we  hear about, especially in the physical sports.

Ok, I know am going off on a tangent here but might as well when what's left to discuss about women enjoying chess. We OBVIOUSLY do or we wouldn't play it. 

Yeah but you dont hear of too many men taking female hormones to compete at the olympics.   I'm just saying...

I always wondered about John McEnroe if he did take estrogen shots... 

batgirl

For the record, concerning the uninformed comment about Judit's sisters having a 'female' (inferior?) brain compared to her 'male' (superior?) brain:
Judit Polgar, whose peak rating of 2735 makes her objectively the strongest female player in history, claimed several times that of the 3, Zsofia was really the strongest.  Zsofia, who retired from chess fairly young had a peak rating of 2540 and, at age 14, scored 8.5/9 at the 'Magistrale di Roma' in 1989, defeating GMs Palatnik, Chernin, Suba, and Razuvaev and drawing with GM Dolmatovin the process although her elo was only about 2300 at the time - her performance rating was over 2900.
Zsusza, whose peak rating is 2633, is an incredible player.  She was the first woman to earn a GM title  by earning the norm and rating requirements. She qualified to participate in the World Championship cycle in 1986, but was ultimately barred because she was a woman. That same year, all women players, because at that time almost all women limited themselves to women tournaments, were given a 100 pt. elo boost. The only women denied this boost was Susan Polgar because she played in open tournaments. In 1993, Zsusza gave up open tournaments to play in women tournaments.  Although, after giving up the Women's World Championship, she concentrated on teaching, coaching and promoting, she won the US Open Blitz Championship in 2003, 2005 and 2006 and set some records in playing a 326 board simul in Florida with a 96.93 % win ratio.

While Judit is indeed objectively stronger, she didn't have the same uphill fight as her pioneering older sister nor the self-limited professional career of her younger sister.  Subjectively, the distance between the three ladies seems slim.

Additionally, the same  post claimed that Judit doesn't seem currently active when in fact she has been quite active, perhaps not to the degree of he pre-childrearing day, since 2010 and performing quite well.

waffllemaster

Chess is a man's game, therefore "male brains" are better at chess (or vice versa) certainly seems like circular reasoning to me.

Let's see near equal representation and decide then.  It may turn out the "female brain" tends to be better at chess.

kaspy2011

Chess is a human beings game rather tahn male sport or non-female sport. Just that in our society boys are more encouraged to play chess than girls. So that is the first main reason why there are few women players out here. Then in some parts of the world, a woman's duty is take care of children and run day yo day family activities. Whil their male counterparts might have nore time to do leisurely activities. Even though typical male and female brain are wired differently it doesnt prevent either of them to play chess. About 50% is about giving them motivation and encouragement to play chess. I always believed chess is the only equal sport for both sexes!