Do you think chess is a form of gambling?

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Gambling involves money. And since I don't play chess for money... the answer is "no".

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No, chess isn't gambling, as luck doesn't evolve in the game itself. But, on chess.com, matchmaking is random, so there is a bit luck. But it's still not gambling.
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Sargon_Three wrote:

Gambling involves money. And since I don't play chess for money... the answer is "no".

I disagree strongly! not all gambling involves money? Russian roulette happily takes your life as collateral.

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jess_mci wrote:
Sargon_Three wrote:

Gambling involves money. And since I don't play chess for money... the answer is "no".

I disagree strongly! not all gambling involves money? Russian roulette happily takes your life as collateral.

Correct, especially if you are an US citizen. They are the ones who encumbered the world into the rule "money is time and time is money". Therfore it is the gambling due to the very definition of Sargon_Three since it involves the Time.

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Gambling does not only have to do with money. Luck and probability also relate to gambling. Chess, especially speed formats, involve luck. I could go into a blitz session hoping to gain 50 rating points... It might happen, it might not.

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No, Chess is not gambling.

It's a game with a win/loss/draw result.

I don't agree that there is any luck whatsoever; it's purely skill-based. If I played Hikaru or Magnus 1,000 times, I would lose 1,000 times. Therefore, there is no luck involved.

If you say Chess is gambling, then any sport or competition between individuals or teams is gambling, which it isn't.

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Stonewall_Defence wrote:

Gambling does not only have to do with money. Luck and probability also relate to gambling. Chess, especially speed formats, involve luck. I could go into a blitz session hoping to gain 50 rating points... It might happen, it might not.

Exactly. It is a gambling if you go play hoping and it is not a gambling if you go playing to improve. It is about your motive.

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How would it be gambling? This is a game of pure skill.

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stancco wrote:
Stonewall_Defence wrote:

Gambling does not only have to do with money. Luck and probability also relate to gambling. Chess, especially speed formats, involve luck. I could go into a blitz session hoping to gain 50 rating points... It might happen, it might not.

Exactly. It is a gambling if you go play hoping and it is not a gambling if you go playing to improve. It is about your motive.

Yes, and I've played online chess with a gambler's mentality. I've told myself I'll only play one game. Hours later I'm still playing trying to "break even."

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stancco wrote:
jess_mci wrote:
Sargon_Three wrote:

Gambling involves money. And since I don't play chess for money... the answer is "no".

I disagree strongly! not all gambling involves money? Russian roulette happily takes your life as collateral.

Correct, especially if you are an US citizen. They are the ones who encumbered the world into the rule "money is time and time is money". Therfore it is the gambling due to the very definition of Sargon_Three since it involves the Time.

Good point, if time is currency, then by that definition, chess would be gambling too

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The only luck in chess is what opponent are you facing.
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Nooooooo

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crimsnkodiak wrote:

No, Chess is not gambling.

It's a game with a win/loss/draw result.

I don't agree that there is any luck whatsoever; it's purely skill-based. If I played Hikaru or Magnus 1,000 times, I would lose 1,000 times. Therefore, there is no luck involved.

If you say Chess is gambling, then any sport or competition between individuals or teams is gambling, which it isn't.

That is a false equivalence? not all competitions involve risking something of value? but chess can if time or stakes are involved? chess is gambling by the broader definition?

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jess_mci wrote:
crimsnkodiak wrote:

No, Chess is not gambling.

It's a game with a win/loss/draw result.

I don't agree that there is any luck whatsoever; it's purely skill-based. If I played Hikaru or Magnus 1,000 times, I would lose 1,000 times. Therefore, there is no luck involved.

If you say Chess is gambling, then any sport or competition between individuals or teams is gambling, which it isn't.

That is a false equivalence? not all competitions involve risking something of value? but chess can if time or stakes are involved? chess is gambling by the broader definition?

I never said anything about risking anything of value?

If there are "stakes" involved, then you are gambling ON chess, but chess itself is not gambling.

If we are going to bring in the inherent risk of losing in a game where losing is an outcome, then we can say that waking up in the morning is a form of gambling because there is inherent risk in that?

Chess in not, in any way, gambling.

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Not at all, I’ve played world of warships blitz for 4 years that je considered true gambling aka I spent 500 euro in a month and didn’t get that much stuff 💀 not my proudest moment

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crimsnkodiak wrote:
jess_mci wrote:
crimsnkodiak wrote:

No, Chess is not gambling.

It's a game with a win/loss/draw result.

I don't agree that there is any luck whatsoever; it's purely skill-based. If I played Hikaru or Magnus 1,000 times, I would lose 1,000 times. Therefore, there is no luck involved.

If you say Chess is gambling, then any sport or competition between individuals or teams is gambling, which it isn't.

That is a false equivalence? not all competitions involve risking something of value? but chess can if time or stakes are involved? chess is gambling by the broader definition?

I never said anything about risking anything of value?

If there are "stakes" involved, then you are gambling ON chess, but chess itself is not gambling.

If we are going to bring in the inherent risk of losing in a game where losing is an outcome, then we can say that waking up in the morning is a form of gambling because there is inherent risk in that?

Chess in not, in any way, gambling.

To fully grasp the argument, you need to consider my comment, Stancco’s reply, and the rest of the discussion about time is money to fully understand the point being made? and what I was disagreeing about.

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World Championship Match is more like Winner take it all. If you look at the history - that was the way it all started (I am not so sure about how the earliest World Championship got the sponsors and Funding. But the way I remember is that the Challenger has to guarantee certain amount as winning amount, to make the Reigning World Champion play the World Championship). So at least one of the players, is staking their Money and which is Gambling. So the roots of how Chess became more popular, is to a certain extent based on the Gambling instinct. Do you agree?

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You can bet on anything.

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If you can’t affect the outcome then it’s gambling if you can then it’s not gambling
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The OP's entire idea is baffling. As others have pointed out, gambling, as the word is understood in its primary meaning, is wagering based on the outcome of some other action. It's not the "some other action". One can wager on anything, something whose outcome is determined by pure chance, or a high degree of skill. Playing a game of chess is different than wagering on the outcome of a game of chess, there is no equivalence. This thread topic is fuzzy thinking at its best.