Do you think Hans Is cheating?

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Gelenov

the accusers are runnink like quiet little mouses ... why they so quiet ?

Simonbelmont88

(sorry I have posted the precedent message unintentionnaly)

Magnus Carlsen has been upset by this sentence by Hans Niemann: "to lose to an idiot like me, embarassing, I feel bad for him". This is typically Asperger humor.

As a result, Magnus, Typically Aspergerally, has decided to try to ostracize Hans. This way of acting is not fair, but here too, it's typically an Asperger issue: impulsivity, aggressiveness.

Hikaru Nakamura is very comfortable to give harsh public assessments about Hans, Typically Asperger too, a little disconnection from the environment. But Naka could talk about himself too: His past permanent behavior of insulting players on the ICC after losing a game.

And also the unfair public 2015 accusation of cheat toward Luis Paulo Supi leading him to be disqualified from the ICC prize money event. The game is findable somewhere on the web I assume, and it was just an epidermic reaction by Naka: Supi was already a strong blitzer and had just beaten Naka.

You see, it's easy to make a bad reputation to someone, so I will add that Naka too is emotive and subject to impulsivity, totally Asperger too, so I have to add that Naka on ICC was cool enough to share his feelings with ICC memebers and is not arrogant other average chessplayers, quite humble in fact.

What is sad is that we wee now thousand of chessplayers displaying acrimosity over the internet about this turmoil, me included, and i feel not proud of that.

Let's hope intelligence will prevail for the good of us.

 

Gelenov

the accusers are runnink like quiet little mouses ... why u think they so quiet ?

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PlethoraOfCenturies hat geschrieben:
sleazymate wrote:
Why have we not heard from Magnus yet with some form of clarification or from chess.com? I find this the worst part of the story.

 

He's relaxing, doesn't want to be disturbed.

 

 

Because Magnus is tied to some sort of contract. But apparently, nobody in the chess world knows anything about cooperations and the sort, so people don't understand why he doesn't answer.

GaborHorvath

I think he is cheating, and my opinion is based entirely on his analysis after his game against Firouzja. There is no such thing that a top GM cannot provide some lines after sacrificing a piece. Their lines might be wrong, but at least they have them. 

AussieMatey

Magnus is a bad loser, has disrupted the whole tournament, and should apologize to those that deserve it.

kAtalan_csaT
AussieMatey wrote:

Magnus is a bad loser, has disrupted the whole tournament, and should apologize to those that deserve it.

You are right, he should apologize - but sadly, he will not...

Simonbelmont88

(Sorry, I don't understand, my first message has now disappeared!) (very confusing!)

I don't think Hans has cheated. The analysis versus Firoujza he was tired and emotive, and that can happen even to best players.

I was saying that Hans is probably Asperger and it results in a colourful personality, he is emotional in his speech, and as a result sometimes his humour is awkward.

Personally, I appreciate him.

The only annoying point to me is the past cheat on chess.com. I guess he was very focused on improving and by immaturity he has done that.

 

DiogenesDue
Simonbelmont88 wrote:

(sorry I have posted the precedent message unintentionnaly)

Magnus Carlsen has been upset by this sentence by Hans Niemann: "to lose to an idiot like me, embarassing, I feel bad for him". This is typically Asperger humor.

As a result, Magnus, Typically Aspergerally, has decided to try to ostracize Hans. This way of acting is not fair, but here too, it's typically an Asperger issue: impulsivity, aggressiveness.

Hikaru Nakamura is very comfortable to give harsh public assessments about Hans, Typically Asperger too, a little disconnection from the environment. But Naka could talk about himself too: His past permanent behavior of insulting players on the ICC after losing a game.

And also the unfair public 2015 accusation of cheat toward Luis Paulo Supi leading him to be disqualified from the ICC prize money event. The game is findable somewhere on the web I assume, and it was just an epidermic reaction by Naka: Supi was already a strong blitzer and had just beaten Naka.

You see, it's easy to make a bad reputation to someone, so I will add that Naka too is emotive and subject to impulsivity, totally Asperger too, so I have to add that Naka on ICC was cool enough to share his feelings with ICC memebers and is not arrogant other average chessplayers, quite humble in fact.

What is sad is that we wee now thousand of chessplayers displaying acrimosity over the internet about this turmoil, me included, and i feel not proud of that.

Let's hope intelligence will prevail for the good of us.

So, every GM has Asberger's seems to be your conclusion wink.png.

dpfotis

Absolutely not

AussieMatey

Hopefully Hans will play another brilliant FAIR winning endgame, another player will quit, and then there won't be a bye. happy.png

DreamscapeHorizons

Hartsville54

Nukamura's comments about the game would not be the first example of professional jealousy.

viennacaver
btickler wrote:
viennacaver wrote:

In the Caruana/Carlsen case, it's a proven fact. In The Carlsen/Niemann case, it's only speculations by uninvolved and uninformed people.

No, it's not the same because ethically your example is not the same as the hypothetical being posed.  Caruana knew about the accidental leak and could have changed his plans.  Carlsen was beneficiary recipient of the leak but did not receive it clandestinely, nor did he solicit it.

Caruana's preparations had been ongoing for months. They couldn't overthrow everything in the last minute and create a new repertoire out of nothing.

Anyway, this discussion is merely hypothetical and doesn't reflect what is happening now. There is no indication that Carlsen's departure has anything to do with his latest game. In contrary, his reference to Maurinho's statement indicates troubles with his business or personal affairs. Those troubles might have already distracted him in his latest games and caused his poor performance.

In this case, it has been fair from Carlsen not to belittle Niemann's achievement by saying something like "I only lost because I was distracted", as Kasparov would have done. Whenever Kasparov lost a game, it was always due to the circumstances or his own stupidity, not his opponent's skill and fine play.

Of course, Carlsen could tweet that he doesn't accuse Niemann of cheating, but I assume that Carlsen's thoughts are currently elsewhere, and some people would still not be convinced.

PS: I now watched Maurinho's complete interview and he was referring to misconduct by referees. I don't know who's the arbiter in the Sinquefield cup and whether there were any controversial decisions, but I once left a tournament because of such a decision.

cokezerochess22

I agree with the ben Feingold take which is normally magnus is the good guy and Nieman is not but in this specific occasion magnus is a dick. He even tossed in a little come on guys nieman doesn't cheat ... in slow chess XD.  

IpswichMatt
viennacaver wrote:

 

Anyway, this discussion is merely hypothetical and doesn't reflect what is happening now. There is no indication that Carlsen's departure has anything to do with his latest game. In contrary, his reference to Maurinho's statement indicates troubles with his business or personal affairs.

Do you really think so?

You're correct about Mourhino, he was talking about the referee. A few football managers have called referees "cheats" in the heat of their anger immediately after a game - and they get into trouble as a result. 

But if you're right, wouldn't Magnus have simply said he was withdrawing for "personal reasons"?

 

IpswichMatt
ThunderAtSea wrote:

Either Hans Niemann is not cheating, or he is betting everything on not being discovered. What is strange, however, is that Hans Niemann has been completely lost at several points in all games since the streaming delay. You don't need an engine to cheat, but maybe just a team that dictates good or logical moves.

Good post.

I can't see any way he could be cheating via a device, given the security measures - it appears that you agree.

But to suggest his team are helping him seems equally unlikely. I'm not even sure it's possible

 

PawnTsunami
IpswichMatt wrote:

But to suggest his team are helping him seems equally unlikely. I'm not even sure it's possible

 

I would not even begin to speculate as to how he might be doing it, but I will say that where there is a will, there is a way.

I mentioned it in another thread, but there were 2 big incidents in the US scholastic scene over the last few years.  One was parents having a "code" regarding where they would sit in the bleachers to communicate with their kids during the game.  Another was a kid who had broken into his E-Notate device and installed Stockfish on it.  Obviously, neither of those methods are being used here, but I provide them as examples that people can get rather creative when they want to be.

IpswichMatt

Yes I read that, @PawnTsunami, I thought it was interesting. And weird that people would go to such lengths to help children cheat! But I'd like to hear speculation on how it could be done, especially taking into account the five minute streaming delay. An accomplice could signal to a player as you suggest, but could an accomplice have access to a device?

I realise that such a discussion could get this thread closed though! 

IpswichMatt
NervesofButter wrote:
 

We had a father playing third base coach at a scholastic tournament sending signals to his kid.  Its amazing the lengths people will go to to cheat.  And its pathetic what parents will teach their children. 

Cheating at baseball? Was he signalling advice to "hit the ball really really hard"?