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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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but if i see someone is in distress i rush over to them and console them. the distress is real. and i know it is. but not because the person said come help me but because i could "sense" the "idea" distress in the person.

 

what makes us human is the ability to "know" without knowing???

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trysts
Jul 25, 2015
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#62
Chewie1200 wrote:

Its hard not to joke on this forum.  We just Kant decide. I totally thought the same thing as trysts but for some reason was compelled to put my 2 cents in.

And all I wanted people to know was that I was arguing against the OP's post and used a half-joking example that when taken out of context made me look ridiculous!  This is why I stay off internet forums, but my reality today happened to be on this one.

The funny thing is we think so deeply about this garbage yet we probably have less understanding when done.  Reminds me of chess, at times.

And how is it any more ridiculous than the "are there any insane women chess players?" thread which I'm sure many of you will enjoy?  More confusing maybe, but not more ridiculous.

It's probably because I like philosophy so much that I thought this thread just made fun of it. Philosophy discussions are great when people take a fair amount of time to form clear questions. Vagueries such as "does chess exist?", or does anything exist, is not a very careful approach and usually does lead to ridiculousness, in my tiny view:)

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Chewie1200
Jul 25, 2015
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#63

And check out the forum "Is chess art?"

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ilikecapablanca
Jul 25, 2015
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#64
Fiveofswords wrote:

there is no refutation for hard skepticism. even decartes axiom is of no value...you might only think that something follows logically because you are insane. how could you know you arent insane? but it doesnt matter. all this means is that knowledge isnt about Truth...Truth is an immature ambition. knowledge is fundamentally about what is useful...and that is relative to your priorities.

It depends on your definition of "insane".

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#65

capa, if an object exists as object x, it means it doesnt exist as any other object (y, z, w, tt, yy) but then every object exists, and we go on ad infinitum. but then if we don't close the world, then the world which encompasses these objects doesnt exist. but obviously our world exists. so therefore objects dont exist

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ilikecapablanca
Jul 25, 2015
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Trash_Aesthetic wrote:

capa, if an object exists as object x, it means it doesnt exist as any other object (y, z, w, tt, yy) but then every object exists, and we go on ad infinitum. but then if we don't close the world, then the world which encompasses these objects doesnt exist. but obviously our world exists. so therefore objects dont exist

What do you mean by close the world? Are you refuting infinity?

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#67

if the objects go on to infinity, then the world that contains the objects must be an infinite world. which is false

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ilikecapablanca
Jul 25, 2015
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Trash_Aesthetic wrote:

if the objects go on to infinity, then the world that contains the objects must be an infinite world. which is false

How so?

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#69

but ideas are intangible they are not enclosed in space or in time (kant's pure forms of intuition)

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#70

the world is a space so if the objects in the space are infinite there would be no enclosed space but an infinite one

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#71

but if i see someone is in distress i rush over to them and console them. the distress is real. and i know it is. but not because the person said come help me but because i could "sense" the "idea" distress in the person.

 

what makes us human is the ability to "know" without knowing???

 

this question interests me

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#72

i take a sextus's skeptic view here because he says we shouldnt judge (have pretensions of knowing) but yet we should act. because ideas are real, and we bring them in somehow

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#73

fiveofswords its clear objects dont exist, we agree. a "line" is an idea (a "4d" thing) not a reality (we call things lines but...

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ilikecapablanca
Jul 25, 2015
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#74

@T_A  What is the differance between an object and an idea? 

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#75

so an object is anything that is present (im reluctant to use exist) in our 3d world. but an idea can "walk through walls" so to speak. its in a fourth dimension, in our imagination

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#76

when i have an idea about a chess problem its all in my imagination. it only becomes "reality" (or rather "unreality") when you execute your hand/move

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#77

so its really the way you look at it, is the glass half empty or full. its clear there are two separate worlds (plato) the world of our imagination and the actual physical world

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Trash_Aesthetic
Jul 25, 2015
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#78

which one we call real is up to us, up to language

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ilikecapablanca
Jul 25, 2015
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Trash_Aesthetic wrote:

so an object is anything that is present (im reluctant to use exist) in our 3d world. but an idea can "walk through walls" so to speak. its in a fourth dimension, in our imagination

We are objects. Therefore it is improbable  that OUR imaginations are the fourth dimension.

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Chewie1200
Jul 25, 2015
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Fiveofswords wrote:
ilikecapablanca wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

there is no refutation for hard skepticism. even decartes axiom is of no value...you might only think that something follows logically because you are insane. how could you know you arent insane? but it doesnt matter. all this means is that knowledge isnt about Truth...Truth is an immature ambition. knowledge is fundamentally about what is useful...and that is relative to your priorities.

It depends on your definition of "insane".

um...a straight line of finite length is composed of an infinite number of points. this conclusion does not follow

The very nature of a point (0 size, 0 length etc.) allows for this, but it is just an idea not indicative of the tangible universe.

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