lol I am good at math, ok at chess, BUT I SUCK AT MUSIC MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE.
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I'm with you brother. USCF expert (so OK), math professor (so pretty good) but when I was kid my Dad wanted me to grow up and like music as much as he does. He plays every instrument known to Mankind and loves playing the oboe. He paid for all these lessons for instruments and when that didn't work out these lessons for building music talent. After about 4 lessons, the teacher would always pull him aside and they would look at me with these pitying eyes. Screw music....
"screw music"
wise words my freind
"lol I am good at math, ok at chess, BUT I SUCK AT MUSIC MORE THAN YOU CAN IMAGINE."
I'm with you brother. USCF expert (so OK), math professor (so pretty good) but when I was kid my Dad wanted me to grow up and like music as much as he does. He plays every instrument known to Mankind and loves playing the oboe. He paid for all these lessons for instruments and when that didn't work out these lessons for building music talent. After about 4 lessons, the teacher would always pull him aside and they would look at me with these pitying eyes. Screw music....
Jamie Kowalski, on the other hand, is an accomplished composer of music (I've listened to some of it on his personal web site and it's very good). He'd have to vouch for his own mathematical abilities, though.
I'm good at math and music, but my chess aptitude leaves a lot to be desired.
I think chess helped me in maths and programming.
Solving indeterminate integrals is really similar to chess tactics as both require good skills in pattern recognition. Being a quite decent tactician helped me in that area of maths.
Also, symbolic algebra, solving linear equations systems has some common points with chess. To simplify an equation you have to recognize patterns or estimate the effects of applying transforms on making the equation simpler. Thanks to chess I can visualize symbolic algebra in my mind and simplify many equations without actually writing down any transforms. This drove my teachers mad - it was difficult for them to follow my thought process, I either gave the solution or showed only 1-2 intermediate steps but ommited all transforms which seemed obvious for me.
I was able to solve systems of 5-6 linear equations without taking any notes - treating the maths just like a game of chess.
Finding strategical plans In chess has an obvious relation to programming. This is simply formulating an algorithm. Further play is just implementing the algorithm.
Chess visualization trainings helped me develop the ability to understand assembly or obfuscated code. This is very useful while debugging and reverse engineering (I am not a hacker but I worked at a place where working on binary code was one of my tasks).
No, there is no connection. In the first year of secondary school I had excellent grades (5), but didn't know chess at all (neither the rules), now I finished third year's maths with a shaky 4, despite playing chess on a daily basis..
No, there is no connection. In the first year of secondary school I had excellent grades (5), but didn't know chess at all (neither the rules), now I finished third year's
You are saying that there is no connection for the entire human race, based on your individual experience?
Damn, I didn't know this topic is about scientifically proving the connection - I thought It was just a place, where you can post your opinion.
And no, I'm not saying that in the name of entire human race, but a relatively large part of it - which is me.
No it doesn't. I really like math and i do a lot of competitive math but i still hate chess and for the time i've been playing, i suck. i've been playing for about 5 years and im still a 1000 something, my highest rating being 1198.
If you've been playing five years with little progress, you need instruction. It's alot of work. If you truly hate it, quit!. But when you start improving you won't hate it!
A little instruction from someone who can show you not only new chess ideas but, more importantly, how to teach yourself from all available - sources - books, magazines. youtube videos, watching stronger players, playing alot of games using your new information and then reviewing your games for mistakes and areas for improvement. You can gather several games and have the instructor review them and provide feedback.
Just so you know, my case is kinda wierd in terms of chess. Things like books, puzzles etc. has helped my brother a lot. for me, it doesn't really work. I've taken classes which i felt were next to useless, all we did was play chess for practice. the there was chess club, still next to useless. Summmer camps? same deal. Books and puzzles? I thought they were boring and useless still. I've done about 2000 chess problems and i either already knew what to do in the position or i would never again encoutner the position in my games. i don't really know why, but i just learn differently than everyone else in chess. Also, i think watching other people play is stupid, you might as well play someone yourself, and even practicing doesn't really do anything.
I am absolutely convinced playing chess from an early age develops a very strong sense of logical thinking as I have a classmate who has been playing chess from since he was 5 years old and now he's 15, he is always the first to find the solutions to exercises which require logical and creative thinking and ways to solve the problem. I think playing chess creates paths in the brain which help you think wider and further of a problem. And when you play chess, you have the ticking time which forces you to think far beyond your normal thinking level and that will help you analyze more different possible solutions in a smaller time range. So I would say chess will speed up your thinking process which helps in every area of your life.
But as someone said we will not have a real fact in the near future and all we can have is assumptions and blind guesses.
If you're good at chess, you most likely have a mathematical mind.
I don't entirely agree with your statement, I think it would be more accurate to say "if you're good at chess, there is a strong possibility you have a reasonable grasp of logical truth and memory..", that is simply by making an observation of master level players.
Kasparov oncce alluded to an experiment in germany.
Two groups of students of similar strength - were enrolled in the same math class. one group was also taught chess principles.
When the exam was taken, the group with the chess lessons clearly did better in the same meth test.
The video is on youtube where kasparov speaks about the virtues of chess (low cost, improves analytical skills etc) and pushes to popularise it in schools
Kasparov oncce alluded to an experiment in germany.
Two groups of students of similar strength - were enrolled in the same math class. one group was also taught chess principles.
When the exam was taken, the group with the chess lessons clearly did better in the same meth test.
The video is on youtube where kasparov speaks about the virtues of chess (low cost,
improves analytical skills etc) and pushes to popularise it in schools
Thing is there are a lot of other ways to improve analytical skills that are more direct, and therefore usually mor effective.
Btw, when I opened this thread I saw this ad next to it:
Interestingly, I've never seen this ad on chess.com before. Is it a conicidence that it's on this thread?
I believe that there is scientific evidence that "suggests" that kids would play chess have higher math and science scores. I starting playing chess at 5 or 6, and I was always one of the first to catch on in school in math. However, in science I wasn't very good so who knows. Now that I am in college I am better in science (i.e. Chem, Physics) and am pretty awful at calculus. But who isn't I suppose? :)
That would seem to make sense, at least on the surface. If young children improve their visualization and analytical skiils, they would most likely be better at things like word problems in both math and science.