Does rejecting a draw offer in equal position a sign of disrespect for opponents

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ChessOfficial2016

A draw is a draw. So, Yes it is not good for the opponent to reject the draw offer due to the game is a dead drawn and the game will go on forever. That is why you should offer a draw in chess.

Ziryab

I rejected a draw in a dead drawn position here out of disrespect for my opponent's methodology for finding the best moves. Of course, I know through experience that users suffer when the clock is low. Although reaching the 50 move threshold with a minute and a half left should have been easy, it is harder when you do not understand the position.

https://www.chess.com/game/live/29179212505

 

nklristic
Ziryab wrote:

I rejected a draw in a dead drawn position here out of disrespect for my opponent's methodology for finding the best moves. Of course, I know through experience that users suffer when the clock is low. Although reaching the 50 move threshold with a minute and a half left should have been easy, it is harder when you do not understand the position.

https://www.chess.com/game/live/29179212505

 

He needed 5 more moves. It is similar to this game in a sense that it was a dead draw in the end, but I managed to survive:

https://www.chess.com/game/live/29458811891

chessking919

 I agree with Sanju's statement earlier on in this discussion.

The real thing that a lot of people find disrespectful is when you offer a draw to a higher ranked opponent because you gain points and they lose points.

DefenderPug2

My opponents want to request a draw when they know their losing. I politely decline. Several times.

 

then when they lose the game. They request a rematch. But if I accepted the draw, they wouldn’t want a rematch. They just don’t want to lose. So I decline the rematch too. And then they make a rant on me about how I’m toxic. Then I just block em.

JPWandembruck

you guys are responding to a 7 year post

Ziryab
JPWandembruck wrote:

you guys are responding to a 7 year post

 

Do threads lose their relevance as they age?

JPWandembruck
Ziryab wrote:
JPWandembruck wrote:

you guys are responding to a 7 year post

 

Do threads lose their relevance as they age?

Depends on the topic being talked about, and I highly doubt this question wasn't asked more recently than this post was. 

Ziryab
JPWandembruck wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
JPWandembruck wrote:

you guys are responding to a 7 year post

 

Do threads lose their relevance as they age?

Depends on the topic being talked about, and I highly doubt this question wasn't asked more recently than this post was. 

 

For recurring questions we should favor the older threads. More answers.

Pan_troglodites

It seems more to be an option.

Chess rules do not require accepting a draw.

I'm also a lawyer in my spare time :-)
(test above, in green, is just a joke)


Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:

Its been considered so by a chess community that is very political, rigged and corrupt.   But no rules say you have to accept a draw.   In fact its partly why chess is unpopular among greater society.     But as a player it certainly can be frustrating.

I had a real close match on lichess earlier,   couldn't get the dam mate with king and rook vs a lone king.    Need to do more of the practice exercise for that I guess.   And I was getting mad my opponent was not resigning.  I was so up on time i was like why is he being rude and not resigning?    But then we drew on 50 move limit.    I was upset but I could no longer be upset at him but myself.  Those are the rules.

 

Do not play another game of chess until you master this elementary skill. Seriously.

http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2011/11/lesson-of-week_08.html

Sixteen moves from:

 

 

nklristic
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

Its been considered so by a chess community that is very political, rigged and corrupt.   But no rules say you have to accept a draw.   In fact its partly why chess is unpopular among greater society.     But as a player it certainly can be frustrating.

I had a real close match on lichess earlier,   couldn't get the dam mate with king and rook vs a lone king.    Need to do more of the practice exercise for that I guess.   And I was getting mad my opponent was not resigning.  I was so up on time i was like why is he being rude and not resigning?    But then we drew on 50 move limit.    I was upset but I could no longer be upset at him but myself.  Those are the rules.

 

Do not play another game of chess until you master this elementary skill. Seriously.

http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2011/11/lesson-of-week_08.html

Sixteen moves from:

 

 

I do the practice exercise on lichess.  Its one of the first basic piece checkmate excercises.  Similar to capablancas book.    Its also set up more towards the  the middle of the board as is common for most endgames to end up.   That whole page seems like a great idea to warmup in.   But some of them i can't master at all.  like knight and bishop checkmate etc...   but I imagine a pro player can run them all down the list very quickly.  

Knight an bishop is almost irrelevant. For instance, I can't do it. I didn't have a single game where I had that on the board. It is a lie, I had one, where my opponent had it, and of course he couldn't do it.

All you need to know is lawnmower mate with 2 heavy pieces, checkmate with a single queen and with a single rook. I would watch videos on those 2, it will be easy to emmulate it afterwards.

nklristic
CooloutAC wrote:
nklristic wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

Its been considered so by a chess community that is very political, rigged and corrupt.   But no rules say you have to accept a draw.   In fact its partly why chess is unpopular among greater society.     But as a player it certainly can be frustrating.

I had a real close match on lichess earlier,   couldn't get the dam mate with king and rook vs a lone king.    Need to do more of the practice exercise for that I guess.   And I was getting mad my opponent was not resigning.  I was so up on time i was like why is he being rude and not resigning?    But then we drew on 50 move limit.    I was upset but I could no longer be upset at him but myself.  Those are the rules.

 

Do not play another game of chess until you master this elementary skill. Seriously.

http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2011/11/lesson-of-week_08.html

Sixteen moves from:

 

 

I do the practice exercise on lichess.  Its one of the first basic piece checkmate excercises.  Similar to capablancas book.    Its also set up more towards the  the middle of the board as is common for most endgames to end up.   That whole page seems like a great idea to warmup in.   But some of them i can't master at all.  like knight and bishop checkmate etc...   but I imagine a pro player can run them all down the list very quickly.  

Knight an bishop is almost irrelevant. For instance, I can't do it. I didn't have a single game where I had that on the board. It is a lie, I had one, where my opponent had it, and of course he couldn't do it.

All you need to know is lawnmower mate with 2 heavy pieces, checkmate with a single queen and with a single rook. I would watch videos on those 2, it will be easy to emmulate it afterwards.

But you can do it bro.   The practice excercise is there on lichess.  I bet a super GM does it quickly.   lol.   

For instance Hou Yifan had it in one of her games and messed it up. I am not sure when was it thought (probably when she was younger).

I could, but I am delaying it because it is not that high in the list of priorities.  It is tricky and it just doesn't happen in my game, so it is not that important. I will get to it eventually.


You misunderstood me for the videos. For instance if I tried on my own knight and bishop, perhaps I would never be able to do it.

If you see a video, and then exercise it will be much easier for you than to just try on your own.

nklristic

I will give you an example. When I was a kid I was able to do rook checkmate, but not like this:

 

When I was a kid, I didn't do it this easily. I moved rook and king just making the box smaller and smaller, and in the end had to find a way to lose a move and whatnot to checkmate. When I saw a video explaining this technique, it was much easier afterwards.

nklristic
CooloutAC wrote:
nklristic wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
nklristic wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:

Its been considered so by a chess community that is very political, rigged and corrupt.   But no rules say you have to accept a draw.   In fact its partly why chess is unpopular among greater society.     But as a player it certainly can be frustrating.

I had a real close match on lichess earlier,   couldn't get the dam mate with king and rook vs a lone king.    Need to do more of the practice exercise for that I guess.   And I was getting mad my opponent was not resigning.  I was so up on time i was like why is he being rude and not resigning?    But then we drew on 50 move limit.    I was upset but I could no longer be upset at him but myself.  Those are the rules.

 

Do not play another game of chess until you master this elementary skill. Seriously.

http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2011/11/lesson-of-week_08.html

Sixteen moves from:

 

 

I do the practice exercise on lichess.  Its one of the first basic piece checkmate excercises.  Similar to capablancas book.    Its also set up more towards the  the middle of the board as is common for most endgames to end up.   That whole page seems like a great idea to warmup in.   But some of them i can't master at all.  like knight and bishop checkmate etc...   but I imagine a pro player can run them all down the list very quickly.  

Knight an bishop is almost irrelevant. For instance, I can't do it. I didn't have a single game where I had that on the board. It is a lie, I had one, where my opponent had it, and of course he couldn't do it.

All you need to know is lawnmower mate with 2 heavy pieces, checkmate with a single queen and with a single rook. I would watch videos on those 2, it will be easy to emmulate it afterwards.

But you can do it bro.   The practice excercise is there on lichess.  I bet a super GM does it quickly.   lol.   

For instance Hou Yifan had it in one of her games and messed it up. I am not sure when was it thought (probably when she was younger).

I could, but I am delaying it because it is not that high in the list of priorities.  It is tricky and it just doesn't happen in my game, so it is not that important. I will get to it eventually.


You misunderstood me for the videos. For instance if I tried on my own knight and bishop, perhaps I would never be able to do it.

If you see a video, and then exercise it will be much easier for you than to just try on your own.

When I say use the exercise on lichess.  Its because they give an explanation and hints.  So if you want you can see it done.   Still have to repeatedly practice it over and over to get it down.   And I would say do it regularly cause I clearly forgot king and rook which I considered easy.   lol

Ah, then that is fine, if you have an explanation as well. In any case, you need something to show you how, and then practice it.

Ziryab

You’ll find all these in drills on this website too. You can also get Stockfish free, put it on your phone, set up the positions, and practice. 

These are called elementary mates because you learn them to the mastery level before you reach 1000. Even bishop and knight can be learned easily. The best resource is a video by Danny Rensch on this site.

 

I’ve taught elementary checkmates with heavy pieces, and with the bishop pair to hundreds of children. I don’t teach bishop and knight unless there is interest. It doesn’t come up often in play and it is challenging to learn. When I do teach it, I quote the steps in the Rensch video.

nklristic
CooloutAC wrote:
nklristic wrote:

I will give you an example. When I was a kid I was able to do rook checkmate, but not like this:

 

When I was a kid, I didn't do it this easily. I moved rook and king just making the box smaller and smaller, and in the end had to find a way to lose a move and whatnot to checkmate. When I saw a video explaining this technique, it was much easier afterwards.

I was exaggerating the new accounts right dude?   hahahah  please don't respond to me anymore I'm just going to ignore you now.  You have no credibility with me.

Yeah well, I tried to help, I see that I am wasting time. Have a nice day.

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

You’ll find all these in drills on this website too. You can also get Stockfish free, put it on your phone, set up the positions, and practice. 

These are called elementary mates because you learn them to the mastery level before you reach 1000. Even bishop and knight can be learned easily. The best resource is a video by Danny Rensch on this site.

 

I’ve taught elementary checkmates with heavy pieces, and with the bishop pair to hundreds of children. I don’t teach bishop and knight unless there is interest. It doesn’t come up often in play and it is challenging to learn. When I do teach it, I quote the steps in the Rensch video.

can you link where they are on this site?  is it free or is it considered a lesson?

 

There's some instruction as well as links to two excellent YouTube videos in http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2017/05/bishop-and-knight-checkmate.html

I'm sure Rensch's video is on this site, but you would need Diamond membership to view it. Happily it is on YouTube, too.

Ziryab
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

You’ll find all these in drills on this website too. You can also get Stockfish free, put it on your phone, set up the positions, and practice. 

These are called elementary mates because you learn them to the mastery level before you reach 1000. Even bishop and knight can be learned easily. The best resource is a video by Danny Rensch on this site.

 

I’ve taught elementary checkmates with heavy pieces, and with the bishop pair to hundreds of children. I don’t teach bishop and knight unless there is interest. It doesn’t come up often in play and it is challenging to learn. When I do teach it, I quote the steps in the Rensch video.

can you link where they are on this site?  is it free or is it considered a lesson?

 

I've seen these elementary checkmates on this site in the past, but am not finding them easily now. You might look around at https://www.chess.com/practice That's where I recall seeing them.

Ziryab
Ziryab wrote:
CooloutAC wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

You’ll find all these in drills on this website too. You can also get Stockfish free, put it on your phone, set up the positions, and practice. 

These are called elementary mates because you learn them to the mastery level before you reach 1000. Even bishop and knight can be learned easily. The best resource is a video by Danny Rensch on this site.

 

I’ve taught elementary checkmates with heavy pieces, and with the bishop pair to hundreds of children. I don’t teach bishop and knight unless there is interest. It doesn’t come up often in play and it is challenging to learn. When I do teach it, I quote the steps in the Rensch video.

can you link where they are on this site?  is it free or is it considered a lesson?

 

I've seen these elementary checkmates on this site in the past, but am not finding them easily now. You might look around at https://www.chess.com/practice That's where I recall seeing them.

 

Found 'em. https://www.chess.com/endgames/checkmates