dfgh123 wrote:
Show an example game but with no names.
why with no names? no one is accusing anyone of cheating or anything else nefarious. the op is just speculating that sometimes you get a bot instead of a human opponent.
Does the site keep bots playing against humans?
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that theory makes no mathematical sense, but when has that ever stopped anyone from dumping crap theories on the internet!
Nov 16, 2021
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#44
Ziryab wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Even against confirmed cheaters, I never had the impression I'm playing against a machine. Maybe I'm just daft? But either way, I just play my game and don't care all that much about my opponent.
At your blitz rating, the cheats you play are not very good at it.
For the last ten years since I've been playing online, I maybe encountered ten cheats, e.g. someone creates a new account, gets paired up with me, uses an engine and is soon shown the door by the respective site. That means to me one thing: Human and robot play is indistinguishable to me, as I was always surprised when a cheater I had faced before turned out as such. So even if OPs assertion was correct, I wouldn't really care about it.
Nov 16, 2021
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#45
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Even against confirmed cheaters, I never had the impression I'm playing against a machine. Maybe I'm just daft? But either way, I just play my game and don't care all that much about my opponent.
At your blitz rating, the cheats you play are not very good at it.
For the last ten years since I've been playing online, I maybe encountered ten cheats, e.g. someone creates a new account, gets paired up with me, uses an engine and is soon shown the door by the respective site. That means to me one thing: Human and robot play is indistinguishable to me, as I was always surprised when a cheater I had faced before turned out as such. So even if OPs assertion was correct, I wouldn't really care about it.
I’ve played ten confirmed cheats in the past month. None at blitz. All rapid. All Arena.
Nov 16, 2021
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#46
Ziryab wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Even against confirmed cheaters, I never had the impression I'm playing against a machine. Maybe I'm just daft? But either way, I just play my game and don't care all that much about my opponent.
At your blitz rating, the cheats you play are not very good at it.
For the last ten years since I've been playing online, I maybe encountered ten cheats, e.g. someone creates a new account, gets paired up with me, uses an engine and is soon shown the door by the respective site. That means to me one thing: Human and robot play is indistinguishable to me, as I was always surprised when a cheater I had faced before turned out as such. So even if OPs assertion was correct, I wouldn't really care about it.
I’ve played ten confirmed cheats in the past month. None at blitz. All rapid. All Arena.
At your skill level one must expect also more cheaters, HOWEVER, I had no idea it was that bad. Dang, you must've already wasted countless hours playing with a machine since you signed up here.
Nov 17, 2021
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#47
Ubik42 wrote:
that theory makes no mathematical sense, but when has that ever stopped anyone from dumping crap theories on the internet!
who ever said it did?
Nov 17, 2021
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#48
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Even against confirmed cheaters, I never had the impression I'm playing against a machine. Maybe I'm just daft? But either way, I just play my game and don't care all that much about my opponent.
At your blitz rating, the cheats you play are not very good at it.
For the last ten years since I've been playing online, I maybe encountered ten cheats, e.g. someone creates a new account, gets paired up with me, uses an engine and is soon shown the door by the respective site. That means to me one thing: Human and robot play is indistinguishable to me, as I was always surprised when a cheater I had faced before turned out as such. So even if OPs assertion was correct, I wouldn't really care about it.
if bots were, in fact, being used as human surrogates they would be set at a level commensurate with their human opponent not at the highest level. so the fact that you have played against people using engines that didnt share the same characteristics as an imperfect bot would be completely expected.
Hello, greetings from Curitiba.
I noticed that the difference between humans and bots is that humans are lower to answer a move.
Maybe it can be a good way to know if we are playing agaist bots or not.
Nov 17, 2021
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#50
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
CannedAsparagus wrote:
Even against confirmed cheaters, I never had the impression I'm playing against a machine. Maybe I'm just daft? But either way, I just play my game and don't care all that much about my opponent.
At your blitz rating, the cheats you play are not very good at it.
For the last ten years since I've been playing online, I maybe encountered ten cheats, e.g. someone creates a new account, gets paired up with me, uses an engine and is soon shown the door by the respective site. That means to me one thing: Human and robot play is indistinguishable to me, as I was always surprised when a cheater I had faced before turned out as such. So even if OPs assertion was correct, I wouldn't really care about it.
I’ve played ten confirmed cheats in the past month. None at blitz. All rapid. All Arena.
At your skill level one must expect also more cheaters, HOWEVER, I had no idea it was that bad. Dang, you must've already wasted countless hours playing with a machine since you signed up here.
It's not a complete waste of time, but it is infuriating.
It can be entertaining to report and watch them get removed from the site within a few hours. Often it takes longer In one correspondence game, my much lower rated opponent played more than 20 moves that were 100% Stockfish and closed his account six months after I reported. He did not cheat in his other games.
Feb 6, 2022
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#51
I believe that too and this is the reason that i actually google that and i found that there is a conversation about it.you can understand that you play with a bot by simply asking them and of course they don t reply. They play some same patterns of attacks through the day even though you suppose to play with different people. And of course they predict the game depending the level that you are. I found also that it makes you believe you are a bad player to make a premium account
Feb 6, 2022
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#52
Chess.com does not ever use bots in rated games. Just complete non sense
Feb 6, 2022
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#53
aggeloskonsoulas wrote:
I believe that too and this is the reason that i actually google that and i found that there is a conversation about it.you can understand that you play with a bot by simply asking them and of course they don t reply. They play some same patterns of attacks through the day even though you suppose to play with different people. And of course they predict the game depending the level that you are. I found also that it makes you believe you are a bad player to make a premium account
Just read through topics on the actual site bots. Bots do not play like people of an equivalent rating. The site has plenty of members and in the live pool, you're playing against other members, not site bots.
Feb 8, 2022
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#54
Upon starting a game i ask a question, guess what, bots dont answer back. More than half games here are against bots
Feb 8, 2022
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#55
PhilipManolas wrote:
Upon starting a game i ask a question, guess what, bots dont answer back. More than half games here are against bots
Most players don't chat. I play on mobile web and rarely scroll down to see the chat. All that proves is most members don't chat 
I don't think so.
i do wish different sites would agree to use same roughly the same rating systems
Here ratings are least inflated than on any other site. Thats why lower rated players seems very decent. They are not bots, any player here, will have +300, or maybe more on other sites.
Martin_Stahl wrote:
PhilipManolas wrote:
Upon starting a game i ask a question, guess what, bots dont answer back. More than half games here are against bots
Most players don't chat. I play on mobile web and rarely scroll down to see the chat. All that proves is most members don't chat
Now that I understand that most of players in chess.com use mobiles for playing. Thanks for that information!
Feb 8, 2022
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#59
jzugzuang wrote:
I want to inform you that the purpose of my post is not to denigrate the site, I just look for information. Would you like to know if chess.com keeps bots playing against non-paying customers? The client sends a challenge, if the site system does not find a human player in X seconds, a bot comes on the site, so the impression is that the site is always full. If this is true, I want to inform you that I prefer to wait for a human player than to be playing against machines. My rating on two other sites is between 1600 and 1800 but at chess.com my rating has come to stay in 1090, hardly exceeds 1200, this is absolutely out of the ordinary. Most of the opponents I have faced in the rating range from 1100 to 1200 play strangely, look like robots, play above average in most bids, suddenly deliver material as if they were an apprentice. The names are also strange, it seems that they were created by some system that generates names at random. If the site uses bots to shorten the wait time for a match, it could at least inform that it is not a human opponent, and let me choose whether or not to play against a machine. I think this happens only with non-paying customers! Maybe that's why I've never resolved to be a paying customer. Thanks for listening.
Texto original em português.
Quero informar que o intuito do meu post não é denegrir o site, apenas busco informações. Gostaria de saber se o chess.com mantém bots jogando contra clientes não pagantes? O cliente manda um desafio, se o sistema do site não encontrar um jogador humano em X segundos, entra em ação um bot do site, assim fica a impressão que o site está sempre lotado. Se isso for verdade, quero informar que prefiro esperar por um jogador humano, do que ficar jogando contra máquinas. Meu reting no entre 1600 e 1800. No chess.com meu ratinng chegou a ficar em 1090, dificilmente passa dos 1200, isso é absolutamente fora do normal. A maioria dos oponentes que tenho enfrentado na faixa de rating entre 1100 e 1200 jogam de maneira estranha, parecem com robôs, jogam acima da media na maioria dos lances, de repente entregam material como se fossem um aprendiz. Os nomes também são estranhos, parece que foram criados por algum sistema que gera nomes aleatoriamente. Se o site usa bots para diminuir o tempo de espera por uma partida, poderia pelo menos informar que não é um oponente humano, e deixar eu escolher se quero jogar ou não contra uma máquina. Acho que isso ocorre só com clientes não pagantes! Talvez por isso eu nunca tenha resolvido ser um cliente pagante. Obrigado pela atenção.
Oddly the same thing have happened to me but I don't think that chess.com uses bot when they can't find a player in x amount of sec. I think its staff members in secret accounts.
Feb 8, 2022
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#60
Listening to the opinions of moderators on this topic is entirely useless. IF nonpaying users were sometimes given bots instead of human opponents, there would be absolutely no incentive on the part of chess.com to inform the moderators (or anyone else) of this. There WOULD, however, be an incentive to let moderators believe that this practice did not exist. This is not to say that bots are being used. I'm simply pointing out the obvious fact that the moderators, in this case, know nothing more than you do. Their opinions hold no greater (or lesser) value than yours.
I think you are mistaken. The fact that some people have strange names seems irrelevant .
If ratings are different between sites, that might reflect a different starting rating.
I guess I never get the impression I am playing against bots. I think that what you see mostly is new players on their way down. Get your rating above 1200 and play improves. Maybe play more than 3 games.
the op theorized that the insertion of bots when there is no human availability only happens to non-paying users. you are a diamond member. so the fact that you never get the impression that you are playing against bots is immaterial.