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johnyoudell

In the (long gone) days when I played otb the convention was that after one player had offered a draw and been refused it was bad manners to make another offer. It was up to your oppponent, if the position stayed sterile, to make the next offer.

Is there a similar convention on chess.com?

BoxzNick

There was a time that I was so engrossed with my next move that I didn't notice that I was offered a draw! It coud have been easier to halve the point! lol

johnyoudell

Ha - perhaps you are my opponent. Although on second thoughts you can't be. The position is more likely to put us both to sleep than to engross.

ivandh

There is but this being the internet, there are a few speckots who don't follow it.

NicholasFooJinSau

true!you cannot spam your opponent using draw offers just because you want a draw.it is not pleasant and you must think about how he feels.

rooperi

I also wonder about who should offer the draw, once you are sure it's a draw.

The attacking player or the defender? The higher or lower rated?

Edit [this is seriously weird, I posted this 54 minutes after estragon's post below]

johnyoudell

Thank you Estragon, that is what I wanted to know.

If one of us tries radically to change the position in the game I have on hand I suspect it will end otherwise than by a draw. But who knows? In any event I'll leave all thoughts of a draw to one side for thirty or so moves.

DrFrank124c
Estragon wrote:

That was the old etiquette, if a draw offer was refused you didn't offer a second time.  Over time, it broke down somewhat, so that if the position had significantly changed, it was acceptable - for instance, if you offer a draw in the opening which was refused, you could offer another after the game has substantially progressed and changed. 

The main idea was not to annoy the opponent with repeated draw offers.

I have been very annoyed a few times because my opponent has repeatedly offered me draws and wouldn't take "no" for an answer. Even more annoying is when I have a winning position and the opponent thinks he can get me to accept a draw. What part of "NO" don't you understand?! 

ivandh
Estragon wrote:

That was the old etiquette, if a draw offer was refused you didn't offer a second time.  Over time, it broke down somewhat, so that if the position had significantly changed, it was acceptable - for instance, if you offer a draw in the opening which was refused, you could offer another after the game has substantially progressed and changed. 

The main idea was not to annoy the opponent with repeated draw offers.

More recently I've heard the rule that you're allowed two offers per game. That way you can offer one when it's a tight position and opening it up could be very sharp, maybe you'd both rather walk away with the half; then if it's declined, you play on and later it proves to be a more certain draw, you have one more offer in your pocket.

Although I feel this two-offer rule is very good, I also tend to hesitate if my opponent has already refused a draw, even if the position is completely different and drawish. Let them make the offer if they choose.

Jeroenp88

If there has been no significant change in position I consider it inappropriate to offer another draw. However, if that's not the case (there has been a significant change!) the offering of another draw is acceptable.
Should be common sense Wink

Danny_BLT

play for the win!

Doink69

Online, I've had multiple instances where my opponent repeatedly spammed draw offers when I clearly have mate in less than 3 moves. Sometimes they'd rage quit and let the clock run out. Sometimes they'd give up and play a move and let me mate. The worst response I got was "Fine, I'll give you the win." But hey, that's motivation to play better and get out of the 1200 range right?

johnyoudell

They are youngsters Doink69. Reply politely and they often enough remember their manners. If their parents have not thought enough of them to teach them any manners that is a pity, but life will eventually get the job done. Sadly in a less kind way.

MyronL

I hate when I have mate in one and they offer draw, then wait for their time to be almost up before they move. 

DrFrank124c

Sometimes when I clearly have a win but my time is running down they offer a draw, just to make me use up  time rejecting their offer.  Is that cheating, bad manners or a little of both?  

johnyoudell

Does making a move count as refusal? If so you don't need to lose any time, Frank.

Scottrf

Yep, just ignore a draw offer if you like.

Aletool

Lets Abolish the draw option :win 3points, draw 1point, lose 0 points

Doink69

If you make a move, it counts as a draw refusal. You don't have to go click the "decline" button.

helltank

I have a funny story about draw offers...

It was a sharp position and I had given up 2 pawns for a strong attack on his king. I blew his pawn cover open, but fell to a tempo-gaining check and allowed him to defend. It was unclear whether the extra tempo would allow him to survive and win in the endgame due to the 2 extra pawns.

He offered me a draw. I thought about it for a while and refused. "Don't you want a draw?" he asked me in chat, carelessly making a move. "No," I said, and checkmated him.

Just goes to show, don't type while playing. It distracts you and allows your opponent to pull something and gain the advantage. In this case, he allowed mate in one.