Black is about to get mated, instead they run out of time - how is this supposed to be a draw?
EDIT: Oups, didn't realize that Black's only move is a discovered Check.
Draw or Loss?
Sort:
Black has only one move, and it is a discovered checkmate (black wins)
-
6.9 Except where Article 5.1.a, 5.1.b, 5.2.a, 5.2.b, and 5.2.c applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by the player. However, the game is drawn, if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves.
Black, having not completed the prescribed number of moves (that is, finishing the game), FIDE law 6.9 applies. Since White cannot deliver mate by any possible series of legal moves the game is a draw.
Draw.
Jan 28, 2016
0
#7
This has been covered by arbiters numerous times. Landloch is exactly right. This is a draw for the reason he explained.
Jan 28, 2016
0
#8
nd997 wrote:
Black has only one move, and it is a discovered checkmate (black wins)
This would be true in an untimed game. But since he ran out of time, the best he can hope for is a draw.
And what would be the result if the situation is "slightly" changed: Now it would be a loss because black could play Bg7 which would allow white to win this game with a series of legal moves.
But what if Black touches his rook on g2 and then he runs out of time (before moving it to g7). After touching the rook the only possible move is Rg7(#). So still a draw?
Jan 28, 2016
0
#11
In chess, there's such a thing as touch move. If you touch a piece you must move it. But a move isn't complete until you take your hand off the piece.
I've actually had a piece in my hand about to deliver mate when my opponent called time. He won. If I'd been a fraction of a second faster, the mate on the board would have been decisive even if I had run out of time.
in the first position the move wasn't completed either. there it was a draw (because there is no way for white to win the game).
in this position after touching the rook he has to move the rook because of touch move rule. so there is no legal sequence of moves to win the game for white. why is it a win for white then?
Jan 28, 2016
0
#13
The rules of chess state that checkmate takes precedence over the clock. If the move is made on the board and the position results in checkmate, the move is "complete". But if the move does not appear on the board in time, the move is not complete, and it's a draw.
Jan 28, 2016
0
#14
You just have to read the rules to know this one. It's actually covered.
| 4.7 |
When, as a legal move or part of a legal move, a piece has been released on a square, it cannot be moved to another square on this move. |
| 5.1 |
|
Your last two posts are missing the point.
I was asking if it's a draw. And you said "No, the move wasn't completed". But your explanation why it's not a draw doesn't make sense (to me).
Jan 28, 2016
0
#16
I'm sorry, perhaps I misunderstood you. The game is a draw unless the move delivering checkmate has been completed. You don't need to hit the clock if there's a checkmate on the board.
Wait, if an opponent runs out of time it's still possible for it to be a draw? What! You don't manage your time well enough you deserve to lose.
Jan 28, 2016
0
#18
That's true, Mike, you do deserve to lose, unless your opponent can't mate you. That happens when there's insufficient material left, or when there's an unstoppable mate on the board.
mikesully52 ha scritto:
Wait, if an opponent runs out of time it's still possible for it to be a draw? What! You don't manage your time well enough you deserve to lose.
In the last days we discuss a lot about that, and there's a lot of people didn't know.
from law of chess:
|
6.9 |
Except where one of Articles 5.1.a, 5.1.b, 5.2.a, 5.2.b, 5.2.c applies, if a player does not complete the prescribed number of moves in the allotted time, the game is lost by that player. However, the game is drawn if the position is such that the opponent cannot checkmate the player’s king by any possible series of legal moves. |
It is black to move. But before he makes a move his time runs out. Is it now a draw or loss for black? (or even a win?)