WondersOfTheCosmos wrote:
Why are you telling us this? This has no connection and you just keep on diverting the main topic of discussion for no reason.
exactly
Einstein, Buddha, and Elon Musk on Chess as a Waste of Time
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long_quach wrote:
WondersOfTheCosmos wrote:
Why are you telling us this? This has no connection and you just keep on diverting the main topic of discussion for no reason.
Chess was the model for computers since computers were made out of vacuum tubes. Not even transistors, as in transistor radios.
Vacuum tubes > transistors > microchips (microscopic chips).
Forget about the beginning of AI, no one really thought it would be an investment worth millions to billion of dollars at the time. Chess has nothing to do with AI. It is the truth. forget about the comic's images it has characters that ain't even real.
He's just diverting the main topic so he can win ...
I have experience on arguing with this stubborn guy.
I have experience with arguing with a Russian ... They are tough cookies to crack
@Long_Quach I have so much to say about your ridicule. You are bringing stuffs that are from fake and not trustworthy source and managed to be the most annoying spammer in this forum. I feel ironic to see this, this guy deserves a longer mute and thats the only way to end the forum's heat.
@verifiedchessyarshe is half correct that chess has nothing to do with ai it isn't the same as running a airplane simulation but the reason ai is so good at chess is 1.calcuating is their main function 2.ai can learn
Which is the two things you need for chess you can argue the history of why ai is good at chess but that is its function it is good st chess because calculating is ais main job(other than writing fake messages)
I can agree
May 6, 2024
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WondersOfTheCosmos wrote:
I hate to say this, but no one cares.
This thread began with utter nonsense. @long_quach made it interesting.
May 6, 2024
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Optimissed wrote:
Apart from the fact that computers were invented in Britain, that comic is perfect.
Just know that this doesn't only apply to chess, it also applies to video games and everything else that makes you waste time.
What's a waste of time to one person is not a waste of time to another. It's a personal preference
Which hobbies are not
May 6, 2024
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#235
Optimissed wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
I lose my hair watching beginners play. Check, check, check, … never checkmate.
White mates in five moves.
It doesn't like Qh5 ++ either.
As noted a hundred pages ago, when there are three possible correct answers, the site architecture will make two wrong. The first four moves were all the only move that works.
I could have set it up this way:
White mates in five
May 6, 2024
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#236
Ziryab wrote:
Optimissed wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
I lose my hair watching beginners play. Check, check, check, … never checkmate.
White mates in five moves.
It doesn't like Qh5 ++ either.
As noted a hundred pages ago, when there are three possible correct answers, the site architecture will make two wrong. The first four moves were all the only move that works.
I could have set it up this way:
White mates in five
I like that one!
My candidate moves were a choice between Qa4 and Qd5.
Picked Qd5 - severely restricting black and its straightforward from there.
(Unless I got it wrong)
With the Queen mating faster than a rook - because the Queen can mate with a distant back rank or edge-file mate without its King having the opposition and without the target King in a corner square.
Knowledge of basic checkmate-positions 'saves time' in chess.
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Having said that - those distant edge-mates by Queen with the King a knights move from the target King - don't come up in games much.
Its more often a 'support mate'.
And - the distant Queen can't have more than one square between itself and the mated King - for the mate to work.
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Reminds me of GM Roman D (apparently was both Russian champion (and US champion) telling park players he would give them huge odds plus they could name the square anywhere on the board on which he was to mate their King and he must mate there.
What they didn't get to do was to specify the move number!
EggmanHamScrambleton wrote:
JohnNapierSanDiego wrote:
I'm legitimately disgusted that you put Elon Musk next to the names of Einstein and Buddha. Seriously shame on you & I'm not even joking.
Well, I understand your perspective, but let's consider this: Elon Musk is not just a business magnate, he's a visionary who's pushing the boundaries of what's possible in technology and space exploration. His work with SpaceX and Tesla has revolutionized their respective industries. He's a modern-day pioneer, much like Einstein was.
As for the spiritual aspect, Musk's vision for a sustainable future and multi-planetary life can be seen as a kind of spiritual leadership. He's inspiring people to look beyond their immediate circumstances and consider the future of humanity as a whole. In a way, isn't that what Buddha did too, inspiring people to look beyond their immediate desires and consider the larger picture of life and suffering?
So, in my humble opinion, one might argue that Elon Musk is the Einstein AND Buddha of our time, combining groundbreaking innovation with a vision for a better future. But that's just my take, what do you think?
Why people hating on this? Elon Musk is an actual Iron Man, people are quick to criticize when someone has something they don't but never admire the hard work they put in. Actually Elon is the only billionaire in top 10 richest people who can't be questioned to only care about money. Read his biography and learn from him.
People hate on him also because of political opinions but forget how the "Woke Mind Virus" personally affected him as his son was exposed to ideas he deems to be idiotic. And Biden (idk when but) invited electric car companies to white house to pay them respect for them thinking of the future and didn't invite tesla who sold more cars than all the others combined.
And if Elon "rigged" the election I think you should trust him more than politicians.
Ten Years of Playing and Time Money Wasted Away On This Site. I Thought from everything they had on here I’d actually be better at chess. The truth I’ve only gotten worse at chess and have looked back now and yes I have reassessed my chess world. LESS CHESS IS BETTER. Unless you make money it’s an endless rabbit hole and very addictive. Took away from my relationships , music, art, and for what? There is always someone better and one day even better than Magnus. I suck and will always suck at chess. Now I look back …. Yes time and lots of money for something that could never be. Still Love to Play but who needs the stress this game puts on a person. I started this in fun and at one point it wasn’t anymore. More like a job…
Nov 21, 2024
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#239
When I first got into chess my reaction to it was that a particular kind of thinking was being tested.
But over the years I adjusted that - realizing that even if that's true and it probably is - its still 'off the mark' as to the 'essences' of the game.
Like other games - chess has 'arbitrary goals' that in and of themselves have no real value.
Whether it soccer ball through a goal - tennis ball bouncing twice 'before' - ball through a hoop -
somebody past a finish line or over a bar - or checkmate/stalemate/clock/handshake ... in each case what was involved isn't key to the basics of human struggle for survival and to make/protect family and the like. But its paradoxical because of its reflection of human needs for games and competition and 'our town against your town' and so on ... where games work out better than war and fiction about violence works out better than 'actually doing it' ...
games - like basic schooling are often about what you're Not doing - with the game - whatever the game is being better. So often. But not always.
TheHouseBud wrote:
Ten Years of Playing and Time Money Wasted Away On This Site. I Thought from everything they had on here I’d actually be better at chess. The truth I’ve only gotten worse at chess and have looked back now and yes I have reassessed my chess world. LESS CHESS IS BETTER. Unless you make money it’s an endless rabbit hole and very addictive. Took away from my relationships , music, art, and for what? There is always someone better and one day even better than Magnus. I suck and will always suck at chess. Now I look back …. Yes time and lots of money for something that could never be. Still Love to Play but who needs the stress this game puts on a person. I started this in fun and at one point it wasn’t anymore. More like a job…
These are really good comments. As a general rule the less chess, the better. Like other hobbies we should be asking how they make our life better. If it's just to waste time, then it's probably not a good choice for a hobby. But if the hobby is making our relationships better, our health better, if it's helping us more than hurting us then it's not a waste of time.
I think the comments about chess being a waste of time are directed at those who take it too seriously, and those who play chess at the expense of doing something else that's more productive.
it is not that they were made of vaccume tools it's about how ai work you need calculations you know what computers are good at calculating infinity(that's there original function when they invented something called calculators in fact that was the first design of the calculator that's why chess is a good model learning+calculating (what you need for chess) the two things ai is good it