badger_song wrote:
Elon Musk is a genius? Whats the punchline?
The punchline is "world's richest man".
Ever since the invention of stuff and money there haven't been too many dumb people who claimed that title.
Einstein, Buddha, and Elon Musk on Chess as a Waste of Time
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This is the goofiest forum thread I’ve seen on chess.com.
like this is a generation thing most boomers hate elon but if ur seeing things with fresh eyes u realize he is kinda GOAT fr fr ... i'd say hikaru is like the elon of chess because hikaru used technology to make chess and esport and even hikaru said if you are NM master level and playing chess hours per day without improving then u are addicted and wasting ur time
So moral of the story...
Learn quantum mechanics.
Develop a quantum computer.
Worship the new Quantum Fish chess AI overlord.
Get ELO rating of infinity but this is permanently displayed as -1/12, so everything thinks you are bad at chess.
Instawin.
My friend posted something about Long Quach and it is exactly how I feel about him
“This guy tries so hard to be smart and say philisophical sounding shizz all the time but I literally can't understand a single thing this guys trying to convey
the more you talk to him in a conversation the more you start to lose braincells”
Jun 14, 2023
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#67
Roaming_Rooster wrote:
*Snip* the more you talk to him in a conversation the more you start to lose braincells”
Luckily I started with zero.
idilis wrote:
Roaming_Rooster wrote:
*Snip* the more you talk to him in a conversation the more you start to lose braincells”
Luckily I started with zero.
Luckily I’m a bird brain
Jun 14, 2023
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#69
Roaming_Rooster wrote:
idilis wrote:
Roaming_Rooster wrote:
*Snip* the more you talk to him in a conversation the more you start to lose braincells”
Luckily I started with zero.
Luckily I’m a bird brain
Rice cakes are lower in the food chain
Jun 14, 2023
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#70
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:
I trust Buddha. Chess is waste of life
Waste must come from within
idilis wrote:
Roaming_Rooster wrote:
idilis wrote:
Roaming_Rooster wrote:
*Snip* the more you talk to him in a conversation the more you start to lose braincells”
Luckily I started with zero.
Luckily I’m a bird brain
Rice cakes are lower in the food chain
Rice cakes may not have brains, but that’s because they’ve been cooked
idilis wrote:
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:
I trust Buddha. Chess is waste of life
Waste must come from within
The excretory system just gets rid of it. Waste comes from outside where the necessary bits go to the blood stream and the unnecessary go to the excretory system
Ultimate-trashtalker wrote:
Rice cakes are cooked using outside wastes and then again excreted outside as waste
Idli is fermented so it isn’t using any waste. It just doesn’t have oxygen which is essential. And because it isn’t using said waste then it can’t secrete said waste
Also you need to steam it with Daal batter and Daal is very nutritious and doesn’t have much waste
Jun 15, 2023
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#75
Chess is just a game, nothing more.
People who say otherwise are delusional. I play chess just to have fun; just like a 10yo kid would spend his time on Minecraft or whatever crap they're playing nowadays lol.
IDK I think chess is a pretty good time if you ask me. Elon might be wrong on this one for some reason
Jun 22, 2023
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#78
lfPatriotGames wrote:
(a lot of stuff)
Genius is a word tossed around much too often. Musk isn't a genius, regardless of his wealth, he's just a guy with a lot of money, and having the most money is probably the weakest claim to genius. There are many examples of genius in history, claiming to be a genius because of money looks pathetic in comparison; Hannibal Barca winning at Cannae is genius, Musk chasing Who's on First, isn't. Yet the wealthy and their cheerleaders claim some special status because of their wealth, some twisted form of meritocracy, Hey are superior because of their wealth. The reality is more like everyone is in a 100m sprint, and the wealth one is born into determines one's head start. When a member of some group with a large "head start wins, that is used as proof that they deserve their status, and "special considerations". The flip side are those like Elizabeth Holmes, that at one time or another was the cover story for every financial rag and cable business program, she too was touted as a genius, she like so many other business "leaders" was just a criminal. Elon Musk should be thought of a simply the guy with the most money, he isn't run of the mill, but he isn't a genius either; he's just a guy with an ego to match his fortune who says a lot of questionable things, surrounded by yes-men and toadies who sing his praises---not a unique or new problem in the world.
Bro needs an oscar for saying chess is a wasting time.
Chess has a meaningful meaning. Without it we wouldnt play it. Chess is a way to make decisions right. Every time u make a mistake it will cost ur life. Get ur ideas correct kid. 300 million people are playing chess and not so less people are playing it right now
Jun 22, 2023
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#80
Actually, it is not wrong to say that "Chess is a waste of time". The problem is with the arguments made in the original post by the post author.
The people cited are people with very different alleged world views. You cannot take the people whose views often diametrically oppose to each other just to take their shared opinion about something and then conclude that this shared opinion is therefore "correct".
Elon Musk has many other crazy opinions and has made many unethical and just immoral statements. If you take his authority, then you have to first somehow show that what he thinks is a universally correct , which somehow enables him to have an opinion on the worth of chess. What do you think Elon Musk thinks about other opinions of Einstein, or about Buddhist teachings? Do you think he agrees with both of them?
If you want to take Einstein's opinion about chess, then also you have to then explicitly say what it is that makes Einstein an authority on chess or on how people are to spend time. His views on spirituality and religion, as far as I know, do not align with any world religions. I think he was by all indications an atheist. Maybe he has made a few statements about God and spirituality, but I don't think he even went to Synagogue most of his life. Also, as I asked about Elon Musk, do you think Einstein would agree with what Buddhists believe and do? Would he approve of meditating and chanting for hours and hours on daily basis?
Buddha? There are many problems with citing Buddha. First of all there is no authoritative text at all about what he has said, which is why there is no "Buddhist Bible". I am fully aware of the texts that are considered to be "accurate" collected teachings of Buddha. But there are many texts alleged to be his teachings that no Buddhists universally agree what "Buddhist" texts are authoritative and which statements are made up by the followers afterward.
A much bigger problem with quoting Buddha and taking his alleged authority on board games has to do with with what I mentioned earlier about the authority of people like Elon Musk or Einstein. If you are going to take The Buddha's alleged statement about playing a board game (which was not chess as it is known today as at the time of Buddha the chess as we know it now did not exist) then you have to take all other alleged teachings of the Buddha at their face value. Do you actually know what , in this case, Tibetan Buddhists, and many non-Tibetan Buddhists outside of the United States and Europe believe? Buddhist teachings actually literally say that Buddha levitated and threw fireballs. They also believe that the world in which we live is a flat disk with 4 continents and one big mountain in the center. I think also that its supported by elephants or something. They also believe in Astrology, which is absolutely debunked by standard scientific method.
Now, of course, I think in reality the Buddhists do NOT believe that the Earth is a round disk that is flat. They cannot argue with science that has proven the earth is a round planet in the center of a solar system. The issue is that there are Buddhists that DO believe that, and that it used to be a core belief of Tibetan Buddhists. I watched videos of people actually saying they believe this version of reality. THe issue is that you are picking and choosing which Buddhist text to believe and which to reject if you do not believe all of it.
That does not mean that chess is not a waste of time. But the argument from dubious authority is not a valid argument. There are actually more rational reasons why chess is a "waste of time" but they are a different discussion that I don't want to go into here.
Also the OP immediately suggests to us what manner of use of time is "useful". He says patronizingly: "So my dear pawn pushers, instead of wasting your time on a glorified board-game, why not meditate on the universe's wonders"
Do I really need to write another paragraph explaining the problems with that recommendation? Maybe the OP is not very familiar with the philosophers of the last 300-400 years. A number of them did exactly that and have not given us any answers they intended to find, but some have actually stated that we should not waste our time trying to think and try to answer universe's unanswerable questions.
I will say this over and over again.
Chess is not just a simple game, although it is.
It is an "industrial complex". It's a whole cottage industry. It has magazines, like ballet. It has all kinds of books, chess sets, products, DVDs and gizmos.
And it gave rise to the Internet itself.
Predicted back in the TRS-80 days. Tandy RadioShack 1980. Everything came true.
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