Not only Anand but there are many top player like Kramnik, Ivanchuk disappointing performance these days.
Anand didn't even participated in recent Chess Olympic @ Norway.
End of Era for Vishy Anand..???
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sac4win ,
the chance of anand regaining the title is probably 1 in a 100 but it is possible. as mersaphe stated ,anand is past his prime.
It is a fairly short match, if Carlsen plays below his par and Anand keeps up his candidates level then ait is possible for Anand to win. look at their last Match Carlsen won clearly by the end but you would only have to change a few moves for it to be a lot closer. Still the match is in Magnus's hands if he plays well he wins.
In Anand's favour he did win a rapid game with Carlsen recently and loses quite rarely but his lower win rate puts him behind in tournaments.
Me and Vishy share birthdays so I hope not.
Lets hope for the best of Anand, he played well in FIDE'14 quali
I hope he continues that.
Its all about how you play how you play & approach in that particular match or event is more important then what was history & how superior player you were in past..:-)
Yeah odds are in favour of Carlsen.
Sac4win wrote:
Hello,
One of most exciting World Chess Championship 2014, is just about 3 months away.
Anand has ton of experience; while not really playing well these days. On the other hand we have Carlsen who is climbing to new high everyday.
What do you guys think Anand has any chance to regain his title again or do you think end of Anand's era...???
Well if he loses, yes definitely. But to say he isn't playing well right now is simple generalisation of his form circa 2011-2013 I think . This year Vishy whether in candidates or the world-rapid championships has shown very good consistency & defeated Carlsen. Vishy at his peak isn't that far from Carlsen IMO.
Here Robert Byrne compares him to Capablanca just like Carlsen is nowadays
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/05/crosswords/chess/05chess.html?_r=0
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1346&dat=20040215&id=lacsAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_f0DAAAAIBAJ&pg=5535,2897170
But people forget quickly, he is capable of anything when in full flight.
Of course Carlsen is a deservedly strong favourite but this time it will be much closer IMO..
Hey_Man wrote:
Its not a matter of Vishy being past his prime. Carlsen is rated around 2880+, while Vishy has only ever been rated a maximum of around 2830. He is currently around 2780. On top of that Carlsen is still improving (i.e. has not reached his prime). I think if Vishy were in his prime and played the current Carlsen, he would still find it very tough going. The reality is that Vishy would have to start achieving a winning consistency and level of rating higher than Carlsen's to beat Carlsen, or Carlsen would have to significantly fall in his level of play (highly unlikely) for Vishy to come out victorious. Probably why Vishy didn't play in the Olympiads: he probably wanted keep his game-play close to his chest and give his all for his preparations for the upcoming World Championships. Good luck and good health to both players in their preparations for the upcoming match, and I hope we get see a real close competition.allaciou
To compare the peaks of players of different eras using ELO is fallacious.
As was evidenced by these Olympiads rating inflation is for real..
Anand had a great career. Sure he failed to beat Kasparov for the title (no shame in that and he still has some nice wins and draws on Kasparov) and lost the title to Carlsen (again there's no shame in that, even if Carlsen exceeded even my expectations where Anand drew him at best) and had some good tournament results even after losing the title. We still have to admit even though he's no spring chicken he could (quite literally, as even vastly inferior to him but still great players such as Pillsbury have done so) defeat everyone in this thread blindfolded in a simul (okay, none of us were alive for Pillsbury, but that may as well have been us he beat during his simuls)
"Vishy at his peak isn't that far from Carlsen IMO."
I have to disagree. Anand's peak rating was 2817, still one of the all time greatest players but still well below Carlsen's peak. Anand would beat Fischer in a set match, especially when one factors in style Anand seems to have that dangerous Tal-like complications but with better technical refinement and less recklessness. Remember that Spassky had a plus score on Geller (reminds me of a more dated Anand), but Geller had an overall plus score over Fischer so style accounts for something, not to mention Anand's peak is higher than Fischer's.
Silman had a post on this very website about how certain players have styles that are tough for certain people to deal with, and Anand, Geller, and Tal (sort of) are in the same camp of intimidating sharp play where calculation takes on an important role and intuition doesn't do too much good.
Carlsen lost 2 games in a row! Omg is it end of era of Carlsen?! Yeah I guess not..
Now get a life and leave Vishy at peace
IMO the WCC shouldn't be held every year.
Sac4win wrote:
One of most exciting World Chess Championship 2014, is just about 3 months away.
One of most exciting World Chess Championship 2014, is just about 3 months away.
Anand has ton of experience; while not really playing well these days. On the other hand we have Carlsen who is climbing to new high everyday.
You just described last year's match.
3kush3 wrote:
To compare the peaks of players of different eras using ELO is fallacious.
They're not different eras lol.
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
"Vishy at his peak isn't that far from Carlsen IMO."
I have to disagree. Anand's peak rating was 2817, still one of the all time greatest players but still well below Carlsen's peak. Anand would beat Fischer in a set match, especially when one factors in style Anand seems to have that dangerous Tal-like complications but with better technical refinement and less recklessness. Remember that Spassky had a plus score on Geller (reminds me of a more dated Anand), but Geller had an overall plus score over Fischer so style accounts for something, not to mention Anand's peak is higher than Fischer's.
Silman had a post on this very website about how certain players have styles that are tough for certain people to deal with, and Anand, Geller, and Tal (sort of) are in the same camp of intimidating sharp play where calculation takes on an important role and intuition doesn't do too much good.
Not that simple IMO.
Here a noted chess author compares him to Capablanca 10 years ago
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/05/crosswords/chess/05chess.html?_r=0
Also he was always a very strong intuitive player categorised by his strong showing in blitz & rapid tournaments.
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Anand Again Shows Reason He Is Likened to Capablanca
Published: December 5, 2004
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iswanathan Anand, India's greatest star, is once again listed second, right behind Garry Kasparov, in the Professional World Rankings for November, which reflect the results of the 36th Olympiad. Playing first board for India, Anand scored 8-3 as India's team attained sixth place.
Anand has been compared to José Raul Capablanca in the style of his play, and nothing could be more true. Like Capablanca, he uses very little time to calculate his moves - or rather, just like his spiritual mentor, to see them. A glance enables him to ferret them out. It is not a surprise that he is the top player in the world in speed chess. In this form of the game, he relentlessly wins tournament after tournament.
In another respect, defense, he looks like a second Capablanca. In his game with the Russian grandmaster Alexander Morozevich in Round 9 of the Olympiad, he built up a slight classical advantage, and when his adversary tried to throw him off with diabolical complications, he brushed him off in the best Capablanca manner. And we are not talking about a stumble-bunny opponent, either. In the world rankings, Morozevich is now in third place.
Moreover, Anand does not let attacking chances pass him by, as Capablanca did in his leisurely middle age. You can see all this in the following game.
The move 2 ... a6 is often seen in the Sicilian Defense, but when played this early it has positional traps for Black and opportunities for White. If 3 d4?!, then 3 ... cd 4 Nd4 Nf6 5 Nc3 e5 6 Nf3 Bb4 7 Ne5 O-O! 8 Bd3 d5 9 O-O Bc3 10 bc de 11 Be2 Qc7, yielding Black the superior pawn formation.
However, Anand, who knows many opening wrinkles, played the superior 3 c4 e6 4 Nc3.
After 9 f3, Anand had a solid version of the Maroczy bind, pawns at c4 and e4 aggressively clamping down on the black pawn center. Thus 9 ... d5? 10 cd ed 11 ed Nd5 12 Nd5 Bd5 13 Nb5 Qe5 14 Qd5 Qe3 15 Kd1 ab 16 Qa8. Maybe in that line it would be wiser for Black to offer a gambit with 11 ...Bd6.
Perhaps, after 11 Na4, Morozevich could have liquidated some of Anand's queenside with 11 ... Nc4 12 Bc4 b5 (12 ... Qc4? 13 Nb6 costs Black the exchange) 13 Bd3 ba 14 Qa4, but White still has the preponderance of space.
After 16 Nb3, Morozevich tries to find an active plan of attack on the king's wing with 16 ... Kh8 17 Rfd1 Rg8. Soon he expands his attack horizons with an old Morphy move, 21 ... g5, later used by Bobby Fischer, both in similar situations. From 28 a4 onward, the game is blasted open in a slugging match.
After 35 Nb6, it is not clear why Morozevich gave up the exchange with 35 ... dc 36 Nc8 Rc8. He should have tried 35 ... Rcd8.
After 45 Nc8, Morozevich, a rook down and facing a winning attack, gave up.
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Pretty similar to what guys write about Carlsen nowadays..
Hello,
One of most exciting World Chess Championship 2014, is just about 3 months away.
Anand has ton of experience; while not really playing well these days. On the other hand we have Carlsen who is climbing to new high everyday.
What do you guys think Anand has any chance to regain his title again or do you think end of Anand's era...???