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I actually tried to find ways to cheat in online blitz to see if it is possible. And sadly, If you are able towalk while chewing bubble gum, I am pretty sure you could beat some one like me with out having played before.
you see it is to do with politics and the russian attempt to dominate chess
Discussions of cheating aren't permitted on this forum so in before the lock.
That said, I don't think many low level players cheat in blitz/bullet. I think difference scores of less than .5 are very obtainable by low level players on an occasional basis without cheating. For example, I'm rated only slightly over 1000 in blitz. But in my last game I had a difference score of .14.
Cheating in rapid/daily is going to be more prevalent since it is much easier. But even then, they can't be cheating too often or their ratings would not stay low.
Saw you last game, you lose in 16 moves! Of course your opponent may have nearly 95% identical computer moves or 100% identical moves, cos all those moves are opening theory. And after that you just played one weak move ??Qb6 and serious blunder and lose one piece. After opening, your opponent dont have any other alternative move rather than forced exchange.
There is no point in analysing forcing moves, for example, if you take a queen, a 100 rated player will take back a queen, a GM will take back a queen or Stockfish will take back a queen.
"Discussions of cheating aren't permitted on this forum so in before the lock."
Why?
@drmboss makes a good point. Not all moves are equally hard/easy to find. And yet the analysis on this site does not make that distinction.
There are other analyzers that do. For example if you do a game analysis using Chessbase, they don't considered forced moves, opening moves, obvious exchanges, etc. And not surprisingly, that means you typically get a much smaller percent of the moves rated as best.
Some games are going to be loaded with those kinds of easier moves to find. And when that is the case, you will often get low difference scores as well.
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Take this game the OP played:
https://www.chess.com/daily/game/212381874?username=nasj-b
A 1 day per move game. 14 moves were made in 1 day. Maybe its not "cheating" but you were moving way to fast.
Looking at the game with @squallooo I certainly don't see anything that raises my suspicions. You made a terrible mistake with 9.. Nxe4 and the punishment was straightforward and natural.
@ madratter7
I have multiple games wich has better stats than what I mentioned. Please dont misunderstand! I am just saying 1200 players should not play like this as often as they do. Even against a 900 rated player.
Btw, I do understand perfect play is easier against bad play
I probably should not have made this comment afther a terrible game. I get that! That game had just little to do with the forum thread I started. He played a perfect game with less than 20 moves.. That is not unheard of from a 1200 player, and not even particular impressive.
My last game was not my only concern! I have been a member for years
@Nasj-B part of your problem may be similar to one of mine. I have MUCH better rapid and Daily ratings than I do blitz. So how come these lowly blitz players beat me senseless on a regular basis. You start to think about that, and cheating comes to mind.
However, at least in my case the reasons are much less sinister. It isn't that they are much better than they should be at blitz. I'm simply worse than I "should" be. I'm not a particularly fast thinker/calculator when it comes to chess, and that really hurts me in blitz. Plus the rating pools aren't really the same. (I believe the rating pools for daily and rapid are easier on this site).
Take this game the OP played:
https://www.chess.com/daily/game/212381874?username=nasj-b
A 1 day per move game. 14 moves were made in 1 day. Maybe its not "cheating" but you were moving way to fast.
What do you mean?
To bee clear! Playing a -zero- mistakes and blunder game that last for 30 moves, is more impressive than playing a game with less than 0,5 avg diff, in my book.
"Discussions of cheating aren't permitted on this forum so in before the lock."
Why?
Because chess.com staff, to their credit, realize this is not golf. For those of us used to good sportsmanship, proper etiquette, civil discussion about rules, self imposed penalties for infractions, chess.com rules seem absurd. BUT, because this is not golf, and there is a significant portion of players who do not have self restraint, the rules say no talking about cheating in the public forum. It's because too many people cant keep it civil. No self control. Remember, this isn't golf.
It's conceivable that an 1100 rated player may have legitimately played that game, He played quite well, but nothing that's impossibly difficult to find.
As mentioned, I never referred to any specific game, the examples of MY GAMES that are used to argue against what I said, is not my point. Others discredit me on this basis.... That is fine!! More power to you! or something (never understod that expression)
I am a low rated player, and I play many bad games and have a low rating. Sometimes I play chess and do silly things, bc I am not very, very good at chess. But when I sitt down in front of a computer to only play chess, I play better than most of my games on record.
HOWEVER, THAT WAS NOT THE POINT!
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I may bee deluting my self, but I feel like i lose games were my 1100 - 1300 opponents has an avg. diff of less than 0.5 and no mistakes or blunders (according to the chess.com analysis function), fairly frequently. I am interested to hear if players on similar rating, have this feeling ?
An Avg diff of less than 0,5 and no mistakes or blunders indicates a much better rating than 1200, right?
Is this phenomenon more prevalent on this site than other sites like Leechess or playchess? Since there are more players on chess.com? Just to bee clear. I love chess.com and all it's features, but have been both hoping and thinking there are some algorithm that matches suspected cheaters to other suspected cheaters? To make chess.com better for people with out this suspicion. And if there is such a system in place, could I be under some sort of suspicion of engine use?
Don't get me wrong, I am not a serious player and sometimes play on mobile almost without concentrating at all. But still, the times I do concentrate, and my opponent chooses to bee a computers puppet, online chess just feels like a waste of time.
Any thoughts or insights?