Engines ruined chess ?

Chess engines have ruined the mystery and humanity of chess. Many people may respond "Does a runner give up because a car can beat him in a race?" or a similar foolish analogy.

1) Many people HAVE given up on running. It is not the most popular sport by a long shot. Once a machine can perform an activity better than a human then that activity becomes more trivial to the public.

2)People will still see a marathon and say "wow that is so impressive." marathon runners are overcoming physical laws that we all must obey and can relate to. In contrast, the best chess player is the best at...arranging pieces in an arbitrary game with arbitrary rules. This meaninglessness is increased when we have chess engines which will always arrange these particular pieces on an 8x8 board better than we ever will. 

3) "An engine is just a tool" you say? Sure but so is a calculator. Would you bother training your whole life to be able to do arithmetic in your mind? Some people can do this, and it is impressive but we all think to ourselves its kind of meaningless since a calculator can do it faster and with more accuracy. At least arithmatic is working with numbers which are pretty important ...What is chess important for?

For these reasons I think chess engines reduce the meaning of chess for players and for the general public. Thoughts?

My enjoyment of beer did not end just because they invented martinis.

What "physical laws" are marathon runners "overcoming"??

Well, engines are making it clear that chess is a drawn game. Many top-level tournaments are closing down due to lack of sponsorships, and engine cheating is on the rise. The future of tournament chess isn't looking very promising.

But chess is still a board game, and I enjoy playing it as much as some "recently" solved games like Checkers and Connect-4.

Memorizing drawing lines in the Petroff defense is a fun hobby, too.

Do you not know what physical laws are, or do you not know what overcoming is?

Because saying that marathon runners "are successful in dealing with" "rules imposed by nature, such as those described in physics, biology, etc." seems to me a pretty obviously correct and self-explanatory statement.

Engines are to chess what logging contractors are to rain forests

It's "overcoming". When you say they "are successful in dealing with" physical laws, that makes sense, and that is also self-explanatory. Not "overcoming physical laws".

I'm just in the mood to have a little fun with peeps tonight:)

But "overcoming" is synonymous with "success in dealing with."  Maybe you're using "overcome" as a loose synonym for "disobey?"  I've certainly seen that usage, but it's not, strictly speaking, proper.

Anyway, continue to have fun.  God bless.

The little yellow marshmallow ones? 

Don't like it, don't play it.

Hi, batgirl!

Perhaps, "strictly speaking", your definition is a little loose and  improper, since to "overcome" means to go beyond something. Such as an obstacle. To conquer the obstacle. Would one go beyond physical laws? Conquer them?

I despise chess engines.  But that's just me. I'm not even fond of automotive engines.

Hi trysts.

Because logging contractors are so much better at being a rainforest than trees that the trees get jealous and mad and only be rainforests with eachother.

1.  Engines have improved human chess.

2. Chess becomes more beautiful as our understanding of it deepens.

3.  No one is making you play it.

If I may take a stab at this;

That post was a waste of time; I need to get a life.