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buddy3

Back to the "x" again.  The reason I like it is because it's a little signpost when I'm going over games with a long list of moves.  sometimes i'll get lost and go back to the exchange which i can find easily with the "x."   When i'm following a game without a board i find this helps alot when i get lost.  Objectively, of course algabraic is a more efficient system, but sometimes the most efficient way is not the best for an individual for psychological and emotional reasons.  As i stated before, the word "algabraic" is not objectively accurate since it has nothing to do with algebra.  It should be called the alpha-numeric system.  when you get to the really old descriptive system in books, it can get annoying.  As in, "the king's knight takes the queen's knight's pawn."  Seems like too much.  Besides, if two knights can take the pawn and this is the late middle game or end game, how do I know which one is the king's knight and the queen's knight?  I have to backtrack to the beginning of the game.  Maybe i should put little stickers on top of the knights and bishops and rooks to indicate if they are queen's or king's  or maybe paint them different colors.

rooperi
buddy3 wrote:

Back to the "x" again.  The reason I like it is because it's a little signpost when I'm going over games with a long list of moves.  sometimes i'll get lost and go back to the exchange which i can find easily with the "x."   When i'm following a game without a board i find this helps alot when i get lost.  Objectively, of course algabraic is a more efficient system, but sometimes the most efficient way is not the best for an individual for psychological and emotional reasons.  As i stated before, the word "algabraic" is not objectively accurate since it has nothing to do with algebra.  It should be called the alpha-numeric system.  when you get to the really old descriptive system in books, it can get annoying.  As in, "the king's knight takes the queen's knight's pawn."  Seems like too much.  Besides, if two knights can take the pawn and this is the late middle game or end game, how do I know which one is the king's knight and the queen's knight?  I have to backtrack to the beginning of the game.  Maybe i should put little stickers on top of the knights and bishops and rooks to indicate if they are queen's or king's  or maybe paint them different colors.


Doesn't quite work that way. If it says N(K)x d5 it means the Knight currently on the King file moves. If both Knights happen to bre on the same file, the letter is replaced with a number, denoting the Rank.

leapfrog

i did not get that far as to participate in a discussion as wether to use an "x" or not in the notation of the game but i respect all the opinions expressed above

Kernicterus

I'm not picky about the x thing but I think descriptive notation is a nightmare.  Algebraic all the way.

Gomer_Pyle

Hmmm, I like both almost equally. Playing through a game in descriptive makes me mentally switch sides. At some level that makes it seem (to me, anyway) more of a battle between two people. Algebraic always seems one-sided because the board is labelled from white's perspective.

Lately, though, I've noticed that if I'm playing through a game or series of moves quickly in descriptive I sometimes switch the kingside and queenside. It's as though my eyes see N-QB5 but my brain thinks the kingside knight should be moved and does so on the board. That doesn't happen with algebraic.

Frezco

I started way back when with descriptive and resisted algebraic for some time.  I had to get comfortable with it when I got my first chess computer. 

Then, I took up an interest in knight tours and forerunners of chess960.  It would be silly to use descriptive in those activities.

Ziryab
buddy3 wrote:

  As i stated before, the word "algabraic" is not objectively accurate since it has nothing to do with algebra.  It should be called the alpha-numeric system.


I've seen this suggestion everytime the term comes up, and too often remain silent. Alpha-numeric is a monstrous term. The term algebraic is simple, descriptive, and accurate. Any one that has ever taken an algebra class without graphing using coordinates strikingly similar to the system employed in chess should be suing their school for malpractice.

Ziryab
rooperi wrote:

Doesn't quite work that way. If it says N(K)x d5 it means the Knight currently on the King file moves. If both Knights happen to bre on the same file, the letter is replaced with a number, denoting the Rank.


You are mixing systems.

In descriptive: N(K)xQ5 if White; N(K)xQ4 is Black. If both are on the king's file, N(3)xQ5 or N(5)xQ5 (White) or N(2)xQ4 or N(6)xQ4 (Black).

In algebraic: Nexd5. If both are on the e-file, N7xd5 or N3xd5.

This example certainly should suffice to illustrate the simplicity and reduced ambiguity of algebraic vis-a-vis descriptive.