Etiquette - Accept a draw request when player says they have to abandon game?

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account99999

It depends if you value your 8 ELO that you might win more than doing a common kindness for another human being. Of course you're not obligated to be kind. I've done it when I've been winning. Other times not.

AgileElephants
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

This is a problem here. People disconnect or abort instead of resigning.

I am not sure what you are getting at. My point was that you have to resign instead of asking for a draw if you have to leave and can't finish the game.

Disconnecting or aborting unfinished games is against chess.com's sportsmanship policy. You can report people who do that. There are penalties for that.

MaetsNori

When a player has to abandon a game they should simply resign. It's simple and courteous. It's what I do whenever something comes up that requires me to step away from the game.

Begging for a draw is just silly, and shows that the player is overly concerned with their rating.

Simply resign and attend to whatever you need to. You can always earn any lost points back later ...

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On a personal note, I've encountered several players who've asked for a draw as soon as the game starts - simply because they are hoping to win a few rating points due to my higher rating. If the draw offer is accepted, then they happily take the few points that they won and rush away to start a new game with someone else.

So the "asking for a draw out of kindness" approach is sometimes abused as a rating-steal ploy.

Chaddumb
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

This is a problem here. People disconnect or abort instead of resigning.

I am not sure what you are getting at. My point was that you have to resign instead of asking for a draw if you have to leave and can't finish the game.

Disconnecting or aborting unfinished games is against chess.com's sportsmanship policy. You can report people who do that. There are penalties for that.

Since I was simply saying the problem you are adressing is overly common here (comparitively to other online chess platforms), I don't umderstand the reply. I wasn't "getting at" anything, except to point out this problem is excessive here in spite of the policy.

StickerFish1

If I was winning then it's clearly unreal for me to accept the draw. If the match was drawish, then depends. I always try my best to win any position and one game sometimes exhaust me, so when I broke half-way through the game, probably I wont accept a draw as I may not really play another match for the day.

The real question may be, if they were completely winning (say up a queen in an end game). Would you accept to resign.. Lol?

AgileElephants
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

This is a problem here. People disconnect or abort instead of resigning.

I am not sure what you are getting at. My point was that you have to resign instead of asking for a draw if you have to leave and can't finish the game.

Disconnecting or aborting unfinished games is against chess.com's sportsmanship policy. You can report people who do that. There are penalties for that.

Since I was simply saying the problem you are adressing is overly common here (comparitively to other online chess platforms), I don't umderstand the reply. I wasn't "getting at" anything, except to point out this problem is excessive here in spite of the policy.

I was not addressing the problem of people disconnecting or aborting instead of resigning. I was simply saying that people shouldn't ask for a draw if they have to leave (for whatever reason) before the game is finished.

play4fun64

If I have urgent thins to do in thei middle of a live game, I just resign. Why some make a draw offer is questionable.

zlambr

Do what your favorite character from The Brothers Karamozov would do.

sndeww
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

Because online play is not the same as tournament play. All sorts of things can also happen online that are out of your control, and you'd want to not lose rating for it.

For example you may need to answer the door and do not know how long you'll be away. I believe it's respectful to end the game instead of looking like you're simply stalling. And even if you do the latter, it'll affect whatever you're doing because you're going to be thinking "I need to hurry up back to the game". And I choose to just believe people when they say they need to leave and accept the draw, because at the end of the day it's an online game, you can just play another one, so why not just do something nice for another person?

You might make a counterargument saying something like "Well, it's just an online game, so why not resign?" I mean, no one likes to lose, much less for reasons outside of their control. And it doesn't take very long to decline a draw offer, and when that happens, you can just resign afterwards. 

Chaddumb
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

This is a problem here. People disconnect or abort instead of resigning.

I am not sure what you are getting at. My point was that you have to resign instead of asking for a draw if you have to leave and can't finish the game.

Disconnecting or aborting unfinished games is against chess.com's sportsmanship policy. You can report people who do that. There are penalties for that.

Since I was simply saying the problem you are adressing is overly common here (comparitively to other online chess platforms), I don't umderstand the reply. I wasn't "getting at" anything, except to point out this problem is excessive here in spite of the policy.

I was not addressing the problem of people disconnecting or aborting instead of resigning. I was simply saying that people shouldn't ask for a draw if they have to leave (for whatever reason) before the game is finished.

Oh, I see. In my opinion that is essentially equal behavior to disconnecting on purpose. Asking for a draw instead of resigning if you need to leave is definately not very sportsman-like. I have had to leavl in a game I was winning. I simply resigned. However, to note, the only way you can know of they are asking for a draw due to wanting to leave is if that is confirmed by them in the coms, otherwise the intemtions of a draw request are typically unknown. I.e. they would have had to tattle on themselves.

account99999
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

This is a problem here. People disconnect or abort instead of resigning.

I am not sure what you are getting at. My point was that you have to resign instead of asking for a draw if you have to leave and can't finish the game.

Disconnecting or aborting unfinished games is against chess.com's sportsmanship policy. You can report people who do that. There are penalties for that.

Since I was simply saying the problem you are adressing is overly common here (comparitively to other online chess platforms), I don't umderstand the reply. I wasn't "getting at" anything, except to point out this problem is excessive here in spite of the policy.

I was not addressing the problem of people disconnecting or aborting instead of resigning. I was simply saying that people shouldn't ask for a draw if they have to leave (for whatever reason) before the game is finished.

Oh, I see. In my opinion that is essentially equal behavior to disconnecting on purpose. Asking for a draw instead of resigning if you need to leave is definately not very sportsman-like. I have had to leavl in a game I was winning. I simply resigned. However, to note, the only way you can know of they are asking for a draw due to wanting to leave is if that is confirmed by them in the coms, otherwise the intemtions of a draw request are typically unknown. I.e. they would have had to tattle on themselves.

How is it unsportsman like to ask for a draw?!? Let's say player A is winning but needs to leave. Asks for a draw and player B declines because despite having been outplayed they want to pick up free points that they haven't earned.

Chaddumb
account99999 wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

This is a problem here. People disconnect or abort instead of resigning.

I am not sure what you are getting at. My point was that you have to resign instead of asking for a draw if you have to leave and can't finish the game.

Disconnecting or aborting unfinished games is against chess.com's sportsmanship policy. You can report people who do that. There are penalties for that.

Since I was simply saying the problem you are adressing is overly common here (comparitively to other online chess platforms), I don't umderstand the reply. I wasn't "getting at" anything, except to point out this problem is excessive here in spite of the policy.

I was not addressing the problem of people disconnecting or aborting instead of resigning. I was simply saying that people shouldn't ask for a draw if they have to leave (for whatever reason) before the game is finished.

Oh, I see. In my opinion that is essentially equal behavior to disconnecting on purpose. Asking for a draw instead of resigning if you need to leave is definately not very sportsman-like. I have had to leavl in a game I was winning. I simply resigned. However, to note, the only way you can know of they are asking for a draw due to wanting to leave is if that is confirmed by them in the coms, otherwise the intemtions of a draw request are typically unknown. I.e. they would have had to tattle on themselves.

How is it unsportsman like to ask for a draw?!? Let's say player A is winning but needs to leave. Asks for a draw and player B declines because despite having been outplayed they want to pick up free points that they haven't earned.

A few key points

A losing position can become a winning position in just a couple of turns. Player B (losing) may be desiring to take advantage of any future blunders by Player A.

Player B might actually be winning, and player A merely "thinks" they are winning.

And more importantly:

Player B is not responsible for Player A's need/desire to leave the game. The onus on ending the game early is on the peeson who needs/desires to do so. Resigning is the mature thing to do whether winning or not. Asking fot a draw when you are needing to leave only makes sense if the game is balanced or if it is very early in the game. If you are winning after let's say move 30, but need/want to go, then resigning is better. I would absilutely decline that, because it is disrespectful to waste my time and how do I know whether or not you ever intended on finishing the game in the first place? As a non-psychic person I don't know that.

Thepasswordis1234

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account99999
Chaddumb wrote:
account99999 wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

This is a problem here. People disconnect or abort instead of resigning.

I am not sure what you are getting at. My point was that you have to resign instead of asking for a draw if you have to leave and can't finish the game.

Disconnecting or aborting unfinished games is against chess.com's sportsmanship policy. You can report people who do that. There are penalties for that.

Since I was simply saying the problem you are adressing is overly common here (comparitively to other online chess platforms), I don't umderstand the reply. I wasn't "getting at" anything, except to point out this problem is excessive here in spite of the policy.

I was not addressing the problem of people disconnecting or aborting instead of resigning. I was simply saying that people shouldn't ask for a draw if they have to leave (for whatever reason) before the game is finished.

Oh, I see. In my opinion that is essentially equal behavior to disconnecting on purpose. Asking for a draw instead of resigning if you need to leave is definately not very sportsman-like. I have had to leavl in a game I was winning. I simply resigned. However, to note, the only way you can know of they are asking for a draw due to wanting to leave is if that is confirmed by them in the coms, otherwise the intemtions of a draw request are typically unknown. I.e. they would have had to tattle on themselves.

How is it unsportsman like to ask for a draw?!? Let's say player A is winning but needs to leave. Asks for a draw and player B declines because despite having been outplayed they want to pick up free points that they haven't earned.

A few key points

A losing position can become a winning position in just a couple of turns. Player B (losing) may be desiring to take advantage of any future blunders by Player A.

Player B might actually be winning, and player A merely "thinks" they are winning.

And more importantly:

Player B is not responsible for Player A's need/desire to leave the game. The onus on ending the game early is on the peeson who needs/desires to do so. Resigning is the mature thing to do whether winning or not. Asking fot a draw when you are needing to leave only makes sense if the game is balanced or if it is very early in the game. If you are winning after let's say move 30, but need/want to go, then resigning is better. I would absilutely decline that, because it is disrespectful to waste my time and how do I know whether or not you ever intended on finishing the game in the first place? As a non-psychic person I don't know that.

I didn't see your reply until now. I don't know about sportsmanship in American sports, so there may be cultural differences. In Europe if you're playing football and someone gets injured you kick the ball out so the player can receive treatment. Not doing so or worse taking advantage of someone else's misfortune is considered bad sportsmanship. Same in a friendly game of chess, in fact more so as we're not playing a competition! Nothing is at stake apart from some made up ranking points.

I would say that taking a victory that you haven't earned is the definition of bad sportsmanship. I don't want to win a game I haven't won. That includes a position where I'm marginally ahead. However, no judgement for those that feel differently. But to turn around and accuse the other person of bad sportsmanship just for asking is beyond comprehension. It's morally backwards. You didn't explain why it was bad sportsmanship just to ask.

Chaddumb

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/etiquette-accept-a-draw-request-when-player-says-they-have-to-abandon-game?newCommentCount=1&page=2#comment-102976965

I believe this thread following is better suited to the above imquiry:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/draw-offer-etiquette

Chaddumb
account99999 wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
account99999 wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:
Chaddumb wrote:
AgileElephants wrote:

If one has to leave in the middle of a game in an official OTB tournament (for whatever reason) and asks for a draw because of that, they will be laughed at. If you have to leave before finishing the game, you forfeit, period. Why should online be different?

This is a problem here. People disconnect or abort instead of resigning.

I am not sure what you are getting at. My point was that you have to resign instead of asking for a draw if you have to leave and can't finish the game.

Disconnecting or aborting unfinished games is against chess.com's sportsmanship policy. You can report people who do that. There are penalties for that.

Since I was simply saying the problem you are adressing is overly common here (comparitively to other online chess platforms), I don't umderstand the reply. I wasn't "getting at" anything, except to point out this problem is excessive here in spite of the policy.

I was not addressing the problem of people disconnecting or aborting instead of resigning. I was simply saying that people shouldn't ask for a draw if they have to leave (for whatever reason) before the game is finished.

Oh, I see. In my opinion that is essentially equal behavior to disconnecting on purpose. Asking for a draw instead of resigning if you need to leave is definately not very sportsman-like. I have had to leavl in a game I was winning. I simply resigned. However, to note, the only way you can know of they are asking for a draw due to wanting to leave is if that is confirmed by them in the coms, otherwise the intemtions of a draw request are typically unknown. I.e. they would have had to tattle on themselves.

How is it unsportsman like to ask for a draw?!? Let's say player A is winning but needs to leave. Asks for a draw and player B declines because despite having been outplayed they want to pick up free points that they haven't earned.

A few key points

A losing position can become a winning position in just a couple of turns. Player B (losing) may be desiring to take advantage of any future blunders by Player A.

Player B might actually be winning, and player A merely "thinks" they are winning.

And more importantly:

Player B is not responsible for Player A's need/desire to leave the game. The onus on ending the game early is on the peeson who needs/desires to do so. Resigning is the mature thing to do whether winning or not. Asking fot a draw when you are needing to leave only makes sense if the game is balanced or if it is very early in the game. If you are winning after let's say move 30, but need/want to go, then resigning is better. I would absilutely decline that, because it is disrespectful to waste my time and how do I know whether or not you ever intended on finishing the game in the first place? As a non-psychic person I don't know that.

I didn't see your reply until now. I don't know about sportsmanship in American sports, so there may be cultural differences. In Europe if you're playing football and someone gets injured you kick the ball out so the player can receive treatment. Not doing so or worse taking advantage of someone else's misfortune is considered bad sportsmanship. Same in a friendly game of chess, in fact more so as we're not playing a competition! Nothing is at stake apart from some made up ranking points.

I would say that taking a victory that you haven't earned is the definition of bad sportsmanship. I don't want to win a game I haven't won. That includes a position where I'm marginally ahead. However, no judgement for those that feel differently. But to turn around and accuse the other person of bad sportsmanship just for asking is beyond comprehension. It's morally backwards. You didn't explain why it was bad sportsmanship just to ask.

It seems a bit silly for a winning team in any sport to ask for a 'tie' if their intentions are forfeiting/abandoning the game in a winning position anyway in any part of the world, regardless of culture, if you ask me.

However, please see my above comment for a link to a thread better suited to this particular discussion.