Why is Black resigning in the first match? :-) I don't see it.
Evans Gambit
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galnakon wrote:
Why is Black resigning in the first match? :-) I don't see it.
Suggest a move for Black, noting possibilities for Bf6#. The Black Queen must stay on the h4-d8 diagonal to prevent Bf6#. White's last move takes the h4 square away... no hiding place for the Black Queen. 1-0.
These games I post are games that took place, some time ago, these are not my personal thoughts, GM's might be better to answer any questions you might have?
I think there's a Kasparov - Anand game from the 1990s with this opening also.
Shirov 2659 - Timman 2590 (1-0)
C51
1995
Kasporov 2805 - Piket 2670 (1-0)
C51
1995
Miranovic vs Leko (0-1)
C51
1996
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Yes, the Evan's gambit is easily my favorite variation of the Giuoco Piano. But, im curious, in most of the games where the Evan's Gambit was accepted, white continued with 6. d4 pushing the pawn right away, the exception game being Chigorin and Steinitz. I've always thought 6.O-O to be the best...but I'm likely wrong. Anyone know which move grandmasters prefer?
Chigorin played 6. 0-0 almost always; why, he didn't tell. 6. d4 is thought to be stronger today. See Tim Harding's series on the Evans.
I would think that Chigorin probably had a notion that the purpose of the gambit was to develop quickly and play aggressively. Surely it doesn't take a genius to know that, but he had his reasons to play 6. 0-0. Since he was the last top player to employ the gambit regularly in high level competition, I am inclined to think that they were good reasons.
AnthonyCG wrote:
Atos wrote:
I would think that Chigorin probably had a notion that the purpose of the gambit was to develop quickly and play aggressively. Surely it doesn't take a genius to know that, but he had his reasons to play 6. 0-0. Since he was the last top player to employ the gambit regularly in high level competition, I am inclined to think that they were good reasons.
What happened to it? Did it get refuted or something?
No, just 6. d4 is thought to be stronger today. But one might ask who today knows the gambit better than Chigorin did.
I've never had a problem playing against the Evans... but I also don't play against GM's. As long as you aren't greedy (don't take that third pawn if it's offered!) the book defenses are logical enough to find over the board.
Kupov3 wrote:
I've never had a problem playing against the Evans... but I also don't play against GM's. As long as you aren't greedy (don't take that third pawn if it's offered!) the book defenses are logical enough to find over the board.
It hasn't been my impression. I find it difficult to play against a booked up opponent, especially in blitz (but it's not easy even in a long game). Of course, many people who play the Evans as White don't really know the lines beyond 5.c3 so it may appear easy then. I am pretty sure that Lasker defence is not logical enough to find over the board, since it wasn't found before Lasker. And if you take on d4 it's difficult to see how not to take on c3, what do you do then ?
I read your post and understood it, and didn't find anything of interest in it. That you need to play aggressively in a gambit and that "you must act swiftly to take advantage" are just commonplaces and not some big discovery. You may be sure that Chigorin played aggressively, and 6. d4 was well known in his day and before but he opted for 6. 0-0. You really believe that it didn't occur to them to play d4 back then ?
Fischer played the Evans in simuls, and Kasparov used it as a surprize weapon against Anand, but Chigorin was the last top player who employed it regularly in high level competition. If you think that you understand the gambit better than he did because you can do some computer analysis, you are clueless.
Just glancing over this stuff -- I'm pretty sure players coming out of the 1800s understood what it was to sacrifice material to keep the initiative... in fact that's about all they did so the idea of active or quick play at the turn of the century wasn't a new concept...
Chigorin would beat you (and me) at every phase of the game, not just tactically at the end, but he'd outplay us strategically to have a better position too. I used to think past masters would bumble around before beating me tactically, but they actually saw a lot and had strong ideas and played strong moves. Decades of analysis help find better moves here and there, but that's true for today's players as well.
paul211 wrote:
Atos wrote:
I read your post and understood it, and didn't find anything of interest in it. That you need to play aggressively in a gambit and that "you must act swiftly to take advantage" are just commonplaces and not some big discovery. You may be sure that Chigorin played aggressively, and 6. d4 was well known in his day and before but he opted for 6. 0-0. You really believe that it didn't occur to them to play d4 back then ?
Fischer played the Evans in simuls, and Kasparov used it as a surprize weapon against Anand, but Chigorin was the last top player who employed it regularly in high level competition. If you think that you understand the gambit better than he did because you can do some computer analysis, you are clueless.
Sorry to say 6.d4 was not not well known in his days and that includes Morphy who played the same move 6.0-0 as it was the better known move and no one had any alternative, we are now in 1890 or about.
Evan's gambit development was vey slow, why do you think? Because black was mostly loosing the game.
In the 70's a few games where played by Timman and Nunn and not until the 90's when Kasparov played the game against VG.Anad was there ever a rewvival, shortly lived of the variation.
All openings evolve and in Chigorin days this was the best line and today we all , except you and some others do not fully note the word fully understand evolution of lines of play.
Period.
Here are three games of Morphy that I immediately found where 6. d4 was played:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1227704
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1336494
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1019047
Are we going to keep insisting that 6. d4 wasn't known in Chigorin's day ? Chigorin played the gambit at the end of a century in which the Evans was pretty much like what the Sicilian is today, and it was well examined by any serious player.
In Kasparov-Anand games, the Black played 5. ...Be7 anyway so we don't know what Kasparov would have played against 5. Ba5.
"Some of us" are aware that the game evolved since the late 19th century but it evolved in other directions and the Evans was no longer the arena of top level games. Chigorin had a positive score with the Evans against all his contemporaries, including Steinitz. (He lost his match to Steinitz because as Black he couldn't do nearly as well.) I would think that at the very least he knew what he was doing in the Evans.
This opening, a variation of the Giuoco Piano, is named after the British sea captain, W.D.Evans who invented it in the 1820s. With 4.b4, white deflects the black bishop from its control of the center squares and white gives up a pawn to gain rapid development and open lines for his pieces. This opening is not as popular today as it used to be but is still played by GMs.
Here are a few GM games.
Fischer-Fine
C52
1963