Extrapolating IQ scores to potential in chess

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m_connors

Enjoyed the graph posted at #42 by LilBoat21. I must confess, however, that I think my IQ may have slipped a few points after having read this discussionwink.png

universityofpawns

http://examinedexistence.com/does-playing-chess-make-you-smarter/

Merim Bilalic, a member of the German researchers team from the cognitive psychology department of the University of Tübingen, stated in an interview that the experts’ brains handled the chess tasks quite remarkably compared to that of the novices. The study inferred that expertise is an acquired–and not an innate–skill. It drew a very sobering message: constant exposure to the game cultivates intellectual adeptness.

dpnorman

I was going to write "inb4 every poster claims to have 150+ IQ" but it looks like every poster beat me to it. 

 

Yes, I'm sure all these 1200s have IQs of over 150, just as sure as I am that all the people in this thread and their spouses are all 150+ IQ as well, as they're all claiming. Quite sure tongue.png 

 

oregonpatzer

The original poster asked the question about whether IQ correlates to chess skill, and I responded with my honest opinion, but since then a new question has come to my mind.  Does penis size correlate to chess skill?  From my own personal experience, no, but I invite you to present contrary views. 

FBloggs

If your IQ is higher than your chess rating, you're either really smart or really bad.

PaulB234

There is a very strong correlation but it is not one to one

poodle_noodle
PaulB234 wrote:

There is a very strong correlation but it is not one to one

Except... obviously this is not true.

Probably a very mind correlation considering Kasparov was 135 IQ but like... 7 SD from the norm on chess tongue.png

poodle_noodle

Any reasonable person, who has played a lot of chess, will tell you the most important thing is work.

Work as hard as Fischer did, starting at the age he did, and pretty much anyone would make it to the top 1%. This is still far from GM, but really @#$%ing good.

madhacker

Just from personal experience, when I've met super-smart people who play chess (a couple of guys from my club come to mind who are university professors and recognised experts in their fields), they haven't been any stronger than average club players. I'm inferring that these guys have the sense to use their huge brains for more useful things than chess happy.png Perhaps if they applied themselves to chess then they would be very strong, who knows?

There's one guy in particular who comes to mind. He's sadly deceased now, but used to be in my club and I got on well with him and played a lot of friendly games. He was head of a department at Cardiff University and an internationally respected expert in ancient history, as well as lecturing religion, archaeology, languages and god knows what else. He was about 1500 and I used to repeatedly annihilate him, much to his great annoyance and frustration grin.png

madhacker
oregonpatzer wrote:

The original poster asked the question about whether IQ correlates to chess skill, and I responded with my honest opinion, but since then a new question has come to my mind.  Does penis size correlate to chess skill?  From my own personal experience, no, but I invite you to present contrary views. 

Surely you must be aware that GM really stands for Giant Member?

poodle_noodle

Yeah, I've known a few university professors who play regularly at the club. They tend to be in the 1700-2000 range. Pretty good, but obviously not great. More than deciding not to use their brain for chess, I think they have a lot of work to do in their professions and just don't have time / energy for chess.

I know a really bright guy, I'd guess IQ around 140, who was pretty terrible even after a few years. Like 1200-1300. (140 IQ isn't much in internet land, but in real life it's pretty good wink.png)

Maybe I shouldn't call that terrible. No offense to 1200-1300 of course. It's just after a few years if you're so smart, why not higher?

I knew another guy like this, and he's 2200. Sure that's pretty good, but it's nowhere close to GM. He studies hard and after many years can't seem to crack 2300.

poodle_noodle

Nice post Deirdre

Jenium

Intelligence is just one factor that might help being good at chess.

There are other factors that are far more relevant: In particular the age you start playing / studying chess and the amount and the quality of work you invest. Not to mention your personality. 

Someone with an IQ of 150 who starts playing chess as an adult will not become a GM.

safischer

Here's a recent relevant study:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160913124722.htm

 

Evalynna

There is only moderate correlation. Chess is its own animal, in terms of the ability to calculate, understand forced moves and continuations or to be able to filter out all possible moves and create candidate moves. This can have correlation in IQ tests because those tests test pattern recognition within language and words, but chess does so with checkmate patterns. In order to make a comparison between IQ and Chess, you have to understand chess, and some genius minds simply don't.

 

Furthermore, IQ tests are more oriented to "critical thinking" skills oriented towards schools and find themselves reiterating within educational institutions, but no matter how strong a chess teacher or grandmaster is, they can only learn by truly seeing and applying theories, which is what I mean by based on wisdom, where college and IQ tests expect you to know trivial answers and people without applying those theories.

 

Also, this assumes people with high IQ's play chess, which is not always accurate. 

 

m_connors

Suggested website in previous post: https://www.arealme.com/iq/en/

So, I took the IQ test suggested; however, I doubt the result is the IQ. Notice that the number provided is over 200. Dividing the number yields a percentage. I believe the percentage is your position under the Bell Curve (see post #42). My result was considerably higher than 150 and I know my actual IQ is not nearly that high - perhaps a handful of people on the planet! However, when I look at the result's position under the curve as a percentage, there is a correlation with my actual estimated IQ. 

Spiritbro77

The only real way to determine a correlation would be to find groups of both high and low IQ people who have never played and know nothing of the game. Have them spend a significant amount of time learning the game and see if there is a correlation between IQ and how fast and how well one learns chess. I suspect the high IQ people would learn faster but finding out if they learn better and become higher ranked over time would be very interesting. This would have to be a LONG term study and it would be very expensive. Not sure anyone has put that much into the process of finding out. 

sadkid2008

The only thing that really determines how well you do on the chess board is luck. This entire thread is nonsense.

universityofpawns
madhacker wrote:

Just from personal experience, when I've met super-smart people who play chess (a couple of guys from my club come to mind who are university professors and recognised experts in their fields), they haven't been any stronger than average club players. I'm inferring that these guys have the sense to use their huge brains for more useful things than chess  Perhaps if they applied themselves to chess then they would be very strong, who knows?

There's one guy in particular who comes to mind. He's sadly deceased now, but used to be in my club and I got on well with him and played a lot of friendly games. He was head of a department at Cardiff University and an internationally respected expert in ancient history, as well as lecturing religion, archaeology, languages and god knows what else. He was about 1500 and I used to repeatedly annihilate him, much to his great annoyance and frustration 

There were two guys at my club years ago that also come to mind...one was a university math teacher and the other was High School Science teacher. Both were really smart when you talked to them, but were easy for me to beat at chess....and they did not get much better with time and study either, so there is something "intangible" about being a good chess player. The art teacher was really hard to beat, so go figure. I've never meet a dumb person that was good at chess, but I've met a lot of otherwise average people that are good, and a bunch of "smart" people that are not.

LietotajsN

If a supposedly high IQ drives one mad, as it happened with BF, I'd rather prefer the IQ of a cat. Anyone seen a mental clinic for cats? What about mental facilities and disorders for humans? Are there any? :)