Facing the Scandinavian

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theliten
ponz111 wrote:

Sorry to say the guy in the video does not really understand the Scandinavian as he is not giving you good advice.

No doubt he is an amatuer (I mean that is pretty obvious) but his points seems legit to me. Im sorry that I cannot realize the errors, except that you mean that when black captures he can develop somewhat faster or into better (although not obvious) positions?

Scottrf
Haiku575 wrote:

Houdini says 2. Qf3 is dumb.

You hardly need Houdini. White loses tempos to bring the queen out in the opening. It's just violating all opening principles, a horror move.


 

ponz111

theliten, before you/we go on please realize that this simple variation gives Black the advantage and Black should not have an advantage like this out of the opening.

Scottrf
theliten wrote:
ponz111 wrote:

Sorry to say the guy in the video does not really understand the Scandinavian as he is not giving you good advice.

No doubt he is an amatuer (I mean that is pretty obvious) but his points seems legit to me. Im sorry that I cannot realize the errors, except that you mean that when black captures he can develop somewhat faster or into better (although not obvious) positions?

After dxe4 Qxe4 white can bring out a knight with tempo (nf6), and once the queen moves away (possibly to an exposed square - it's not generally a good idea to bring the queen out so early) it's blacks move.

Compare to 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 when white has a piece out and the move, he's thrown away the advantage of the move, and has out the queen rather than a knight. What are the benefits?

theliten

My final remarks on THAT position (the only one we have tried in which we can really conclude an advantage for black,) is that black will need to defend against a bishop check now (or he will loose his tempo) and that white can easier make castling. Please go ahead.

Scottrf
theliten wrote:

My final remarks on THAT position (the only one we have tried in which we can really conclude an advantage for black,) is that black will need to defend against a bishop check now (or he will loose his tempo) and that white can easier make castling. Please go ahead.

Not necessarily. For example (not saying they are the best moves, just an example).



ponz111

There is a difference. The Center Counter is the only opening I know where Black can violate the rule of bringing the queen out early.

In compensation the Queen is in a generally good spot.  Also Black will have the valuable open d file and play against the White d pawn. Also as compensation the White N on c6 stands in the way of White playing the d4 c4 duo. Black has a solid Caro Khann like structure and if he knows how to play it--this will help. 

White has a normal opening advantage.  There may be some very good lines for White that give White even more than a normal opening advantage.

I do not know because when I was working on theory it was at the dawn of players trying the Center Counter and theory evolves over time.

theliten
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DEEPFROGGER

I would almost suspect trolling now . . .

Scottrf
theliten wrote:
Scottrf wrote

Not necessarily. For example (not saying they are the best moves, just an example). 


Sorry, that is not entirely true. 

 


9...Bxb5 0-1

theliten
Haiku575 wrote:

I would almost suspect trolling now . . .

I was gonna delete it after I posted it, I couldn´t restrain myself... I hope I don´t get banned for trolling :S

Talfan1

ok here is my way of facing scandinavian 1 e4 d5 exd5 qxd5 knf3 bg4 be2 if the queen hangs ab out i follow with knc3 forcing a tempo losing move on black then castle when all that is done d4 is a fave move

LoveYouSoMuch

i'm a huge fan of random sidelines and trying to "play chess" as soon as possible, but the guy in the video has no idea what he's talking about. white has nothing to show in the "main line" (and Qd3 is not better) and his 2.. Nf6 analysis is awful, i can't even bother to explain.

Talfan1

this leaves white with a development advantage safe king central influence (d4 pawn)but i only harass the queen on move 5 its not book but i like whites setup

mattyf9
ponz111

Here is the Black response to the White idea of 1. e4  d5

2. exd5  Qxd5  3. Nf3 with the idea of playing  d4 and c4 for White

Talfan1

my friend puppetmaster pointed out to me that blacks c8 bishop is his problem piece in mainline perhaps you can exploit that ie make him trade it as soon as it becomes active on blacks plans to castle q side remember those tempii black wastes moving queen and create a pawn storm on q side

ponz111

Talfan talking about a general plan is ok but specific moves are needed.

Black does not always 0-0-0 for instance.  And it is not necessarily good to trade of Black's White squared bishop depending on the position.

I have noticed when White 0-0 and Black 0-0-0  it is often Black who gets there first. But then I am talking in generalities...

Talfan1

ok ponz i will try to take mainline first e4 d5 exd5 qxd5 knc3 qa5 d4 c6 bd2 qc7 knf3 now black has options ie e6/ e5?!/knf6/knd7 /bg4 my fave sim caro line  are all moves ive played/facedto carry those lines further e6 creates that prob c8 bishop / e5 giving black best deelopment  opportunities and staking a claim to the centre/knf6 flexible good developing move/knd7 is ok blocks bishop but hopefully only temporarily and knight needs to develop if q side castling is plan /bg4 my fave doesnt hinder development and is actively posted so in mainline e5 or bg4 is my goto moves as black as white i tend to stick with the line i posted earlier  for the reasons i mentioned feel free to expand or critical of all my aboves as we both knw tht chess itself wins from honest appraisal yours in chess Shaun

ponz111

Black should not play 4. d4  c6.  Instead should play 4. d4 Nf6