FACT: You can't improve at chess

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GM_Jakaria

I hope I can hit 2500 in the next year

BestSell
GM_Jakaria wrote:

 

I hope I can hit 2500 in the next year

You won't be able to reach 2500 in a year, sorry to say.

But if you keep at it and continue to learn in a rigorous manner, you can eventually reach 2500. Just don't expect it to happen so soon. A more likely timeframe is 5 to 10 years.

MACchessSA

Fact: I have improved at chess and most people do immediately after learning the rules.

dude0812
psylowade wrote:

This is going to be a very controversial post - but I strongly believe that once someone has a basic understanding of the game (knowing all the opening variations, basic strategies etc..) it's almost impossible to improve based on practice. I think we all have a natural ability that will dictate our skill level. It's why we see little kids rated as grandmasters but players who have put 20+ years in still struggle at 1500

This is why you see that majority of players, who have played for over 5 years ALWAYS hover around the same rating. You would think after 5 years of consistent practice the rating would gradually increase? 

Every single graph I've looked at at long term players is within 200 rating points. I.e. if someone is rated 1900 they will have hovered between 1800-2000 for their entire careers. It makes me believe chess is based on genetic intelligence you're born with and nothing more. Yes you can sharpen your skill but you're not going to go from struggling at 1000 to 2500 in 10 years.

I know the majority of you are thinking "what an idiot of course you can improve" - Show me a graph of a player who has consistently improved over time. It doesn't exist. It's usually rapid increase or decrease at the beginning then just hovering around a rating forever. Give me a player profile graph and show me slow, long term improvement

People play casually online. Most players don't play a lot of games and that's why they don't improve over the years. Because they play like 1 blitz game per week. Also, at some point you have to study chess (not just opening theory, but study the middlegame, endgame, just like you would study physics) in order to improve. Practice can only lead you up to a certain point. If you want to find serious players who have steady improvement over the course of, let's say 4 or 5 years, then look at OTB players. They are (generally speaking) way more serious about chess than people who play online (online players may play like 5 blitz games per week and they play them while on the toilet, they are not trying to improve and they aren't playing a lot of chess).

riverwalk3

There's also training correctly. You will plateau if you continue to train the same way, but maybe if you switch your training you will start improving.

dude0812
riverwalk3 wrote:

There's also training correctly. You will plateau if you continue to train the same way, but maybe if you switch your training you will start improving.

yes

ShavendraDeRafayal

Every GM was once a beginner 

Fleau2002
GM_Jakaria wrote:

 

I hope I can hit 2500 in the next year

if you're young and just started you can

RuFour86

Wrong.

mofai

OP really quit chess.com. Last online 2018.. This makes me sad..

TheBestBeer_Root

You certainly can too improve…. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-variants/what-boggles-my-mind-is-61297785?page=2 

…The four player here absolutely increases your regular standard skills!

TheBestBeer_Root 

#29
.....if you start off with the opponents radaring in that you’re new, then just view some win archives to have an idea what is good strategy to begin with, some YouTubes if need be but you have no idea the fun it is and the far more action than the general standard, same routine game of chess, and as well absolutely increases your skills to such standard games! 👍

 

lmao.... I’m only going on about it to cause more seeks in that arena than what it presently is, having you have to wait a game some at present, and while that waiting it’s a good thing to spectate those started already games of your choosing! “,

hanweihehai

1500 already beat 90% palyers ,that 's very good ,we are not pro ,no need play that good ,it's just a game like other,if  you want to compmpet with professional ,that's kidding

zes0460

“Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration.”

Many GMs became one at their young age but my belief is thats because they learned a lot but too fast just because they were kids.

A young brain biologically is very suitable for learning fast. As you age, it becomes more and more solid and learning becomes harder. Its called 'brain plasticity'.

So its about learning a lot. and fast. thing is with advanced ages you have lesser time and learning takes longer. this creates the illusion 'you born with an ability, and you have nothing to do if you dont have the gift'

Yes you can do it.. but the question is; you wanna devote your entire life on chess?

paire

or maybe it's just because of playing blitz all the time and no real training

TheBestBeer_Root
zes0460 wrote:

“Success is 10 percent inspiration and 90 percent perspiration.”

…etc.

TRUE Success Is E V E R Y O N E Successful !

TheBestBeer_Root
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:

You certainly can too improve…. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-variants/what-boggles-my-mind-is-61297785?page=2 

…The four player here absolutely increases your regular standard skills!

TheBestBeer_Root 

#29
.....if you start off with the opponents radaring in that you’re new, then just view some win archives to have an idea what is good strategy to begin with, some YouTubes if need be but you have no idea the fun it is and the far more action than the general standard, same routine game of chess, and as well absolutely increases your skills to such standard games! 👍

 

lmao.... I’m only going on about it to cause more seeks in that arena than what it presently is, having you have to wait a game some at present, and while that waiting it’s a good thing to spectate those started already games of your choosing! “,

 

RattlesnakeBiscuits
psylowade wrote:

I've looked at 100's of players graphs and there all around the same mark. Makes me wonder the point of even playing. I'm definitely not improving and I'm pretty confident it's because my natural ability has peaked. 

Please never give up (unless you just don't enjoy the game). I don't know whether your original post is correct, but have confidence in yourself. Do puzzles if you don't already, and try to play when you're at your best. (I plateaued at 1000 for a while before I realized I was playing better on the days when I didn't work. After I started playing on my days off, I rocketed to 1200). Try to identify your problem areas and eliminate them.
As for the point of the game, it's having fun. No one your skill level is going to make money off of it unless they're eight and they're going to get to 2800 one day. If you enjoy it, play it! If you don't, that's OK too!

mpaetz

     There are some inherent factors that make up chess "talent". The amount of potential talent you can tap determines your ceiling. Other things factor in--learning chess at a young age embeds the basics firmly in a deeper level in the brain, good coaching early in a career shows you how to think about the game, etc. Then the amount of work you put into chess determines how close you come to the top of your potential. The vast majority of players do not have the talent to reach the highest levels, so the amount of work we do is limited by our assessment of how worthwhile the investment of our time might be. 

     So the level most players reach at which they don't seem to be able to improve is a combination of ability and practice. If you really want to improve you can put in a lot more work, but most of us just enjoy playing and realize we'll never be great. It's only a game, play as long as you like it.

Ubik42
That's a good answer. Imma go with that!
njzuraw13

It mainly depends on when you start learning. I learned when I was around 4, and was probably at 1000 when I was 6, but I then just stopped, Never took lessons, and had no Idea chess.com was a thing. Now I'm stuck (irl) around 1500. It is far more important to get coaching when younger than to simply be born good. (though it does help)