FACT: You can't improve at chess
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This seems more like an opinion than a fact
Oct 9, 2021
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#463
M1m1c15 wrote:
This seems more like an opinion than a fact
The original claim that started this thread has been thoroughly refuted by the testimony of dozens who have improved.
Oct 9, 2021
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I jumped from 1200 to 1700 in rapid in 9 month by doing puzzles and study openings and endgame all by myself. (without a coach btw)
Like I said…. given 4player is a much broader board and vastness of area, along with much more going on considering two other players than standard, your chances highly increase of gained knowledge to your skills, having so much quicker improvement.
960 helps too because it’s not the same routine standard setup.
psylowade wrote:
This is going to be a very controversial post - but I strongly believe that once someone has a basic understanding of the game (knowing all the opening variations, basic strategies etc..) it's almost impossible to improve based on practice. I think we all have a natural ability that will dictate our skill level. It's why we see little kids rated as grandmasters but players who have put 20+ years in still struggle at 1500
This is why you see that majority of players, who have played for over 5 years ALWAYS hover around the same rating. You would think after 5 years of consistent practice the rating would gradually increase?
Every single graph I've looked at at long term players is within 200 rating points. I.e. if someone is rated 1900 they will have hovered between 1800-2000 for their entire careers. It makes me believe chess is based on genetic intelligence you're born with and nothing more. Yes you can sharpen your skill but you're not going to go from struggling at 1000 to 2500 in 10 years.
I know the majority of you are thinking "what an idiot of course you can improve" - Show me a graph of a player who has consistently improved over time. It doesn't exist. It's usually rapid increase or decrease at the beginning then just hovering around a rating forever. Give me a player profile graph and show me slow, long term improvement
Maybe some people has the brain most developed for languages, sports and musics or othe hability than chess.
Maybe one day soon we’ll actually use to the fullest our abilities. Perhaps…
….I don’t even understand why someone thinks reading on tactics, variations etc. increases ‘your’ skills when simply playing the great game is worthy enough. To me THATS CHESS.
Perhaps if ego was removed and simply enjoying your gained knowledge could benefit any chess player.
……..instead of dwelling how much your ratings have dropped. Then again, were there no ratings whatsoever WE WOULD JUST LOVE THE GAME AND BE HAPPY WIN OR LOSE, THEREFORE GROW.
Oct 9, 2021
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#471
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
….I don’t even understand why someone thinks reading on tactics, variations etc. increases ‘your’ skills when simply playing the great game is worthy enough. To me THATS CHESS.
A proven track record of improvement through tactical training leads most people towards the belief that tactical training results in better play.
Oct 9, 2021
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#472
It's possible someone can be limited in their peak rating. However there's no chance anyone hits their genetic skill cap any time soon.
Ziryab wrote:
TheBestBeer_Root wrote:
….I don’t even understand why someone thinks reading on tactics, variations etc. increases ‘your’ skills when simply playing the great game is worthy enough. To me THATS CHESS.
A proven track record of improvement through tactical training leads most people towards the belief that tactical training results in better play.
….shucks…. had you only two minutes later posted you’d see my addition to my post. lol
it's not a fact, it's just an opinion
i think it depends how hard you try; how smart you proceed in learning....My rating not good but i have learned some new openings and am absolutely having a blast using them. Even when I lose, which is still a lot) it is really fun to go back and see where i goofed.....or the reason i lost...did I:
verlook a serious threat? take too long to develop pieces? UNERESTIMATE MLY OPPONENT?!!!? DONE THAT WAY TO OFTEN....ETCX, ETCXMY THOUGHYT IS.....if you're having fun DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT!!! a COUPLE OF SILLY SOLUTIONS:
1. PLAY WEAKER PLAEYRS 2.START TEACHING YHOUR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS TO PLAY.....
IT'S LIKE THE GUY WHO was asked how he was losing so much weight....He said, not losing, just wearing bigger clothes!!!!
psylowade escreveu:
This is going to be a very controversial post - but I strongly believe that once someone has a basic understanding of the game (knowing all the opening variations, basic strategies etc..) it's almost impossible to improve based on practice. I think we all have a natural ability that will dictate our skill level. It's why we see little kids rated as grandmasters but players who have put 20+ years in still struggle at 1500
This is why you see that majority of players, who have played for over 5 years ALWAYS hover around the same rating. You would think after 5 years of consistent practice the rating would gradually increase?
Every single graph I've looked at at long term players is within 200 rating points. I.e. if someone is rated 1900 they will have hovered between 1800-2000 for their entire careers. It makes me believe chess is based on genetic intelligence you're born with and nothing more. Yes you can sharpen your skill but you're not going to go from struggling at 1000 to 2500 in 10 years.
I know the majority of you are thinking "what an idiot of course you can improve" - Show me a graph of a player who has consistently improved over time. It doesn't exist. It's usually rapid increase or decrease at the beginning then just hovering around a rating forever. Give me a player profile graph and show me slow, long term improvement
Lmao you're asking to get punched in the face by someone smart enough to destroy you with arguments
not me though, I won't waste my time
i need friends who will be my friend
Some people play 10,000s of games and never get to 1800
I think the OP is badly worded, but there is a thing floating around about an "8 year window" for chess improvement.
I hit 1600 almost immediately when I first played in otb tournaments.
I can't say I have improved much since then, except to the extent there has been rating deflation (documented) because my rating has stayed constant over the years, so perhaps some marginal improvement.
I hit 1600 almost immediately when I first played in otb tournaments.
I can't say I have improved much since then, except to the extent there has been rating deflation (documented) because my rating has stayed constant over the years, so perhaps some marginal improvement.
FACT: You can't improve at chess. in my opinion the only people to really progress in chess is the people who just join a few days ago. and in another way you can improve imagen your playing chess like you would. And you keep losing your not losing cause your bad. the only reason your losing is cause you need to learn more moves and you need to improve. look at the top chess champions. they weren't there before why cause they were trying to improve just like you are so next time you lose dont beat your self up about it just keep trying to improve and your skill will get better.
I had coaching when I was 46.
Learned to play at 8.
Two months after the coaching, my nine years as a C Class player (USCF) ended. Three years later, I was A Class, where I have remained--grayer, wiser, and still learning, but playing with less consistency.