Faking a LOW rating to win !!

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leiph18
flatters1 wrote:

On  something of a tangent, I was struck by the comments about learning from our losses. (Kleelof)  On surface it seems so relevant and obvious, but I wonder how a couple of you analyse your own game losses...eg. do you set  up a 3d board and set or use the software on your laptops...  take notes, keep a binder of games, sort mistakes by types...? Probably as many approaches as there are players.  Anybody want to mention how they face self analysis?

Yeah, serious games I'll go over on a board. I need to keep a better list of mistakes though (some people are better about that).

Basically I try to find when the eval changed. E.g. start at a position you know you're worse, then work backward one move at a time to find the moment it changed. This can be tricky. Moves you thought were good can end up bad, and moves you thought were bad can end up good so it's best to keep an open mind.

After I explore it I put it in an engine. Some people say to wait longer (multiple analyses). At least one guy told me to never use an engine ever.

When you have a list, and you notice common mistakes, it's good to think about why you're making them, and how you can fix it.

Recently I noticed when I have a small advantage I tend to favor a queen trade in positions where I should keep queens on the board. I think I do it because I tend to think "when ahead, trade down into an endgame." To fix it I remind myself to critically compare my middlegame trumps to my would-be endgame trumps and clearly define the role my queen plays before I trade.

slimcheffy
t-ram87 wrote:

Dont compare difference with 900 to 1200 vs 1200 to 1400, latter is ten times bigger difference. You can understand this by comparing an average gm with any (ex) world champion.

At beginner level (<1500) can most of players win 200-300 ratings easily in a years work, but Rowson has said in his book that in his 10 years previous book he set up his goal to win 100 point in 10 years but he failed it.

Since chess.com blitz ratings doesnt show your real rating. And most beginners just spend all of their time solving tactics and playing, the games were decided on the fact that who spotted the tactic and who missed. Well i looked at your game i admit he played better than you that game, but not because he is underrated player. He tried to fight for iniatiative (very amateurly) but you didnt castle and went after material. I believe anyone can think about winning material and if you thought that would make you 300 points better player than your opponent you were wrong, you have prove you are better every game you play, not that he has to prove he is worse. You need to be playing prophilacticly and sound. Did you obey principles ? No. Did you ever think about what your opponent wants to do ? No. Then why you believe you deserved winning ?

I don't believe I deserved to win that game. But I also felt my opponent was uncannily good.... for his rating.

slimcheffy
owltuna wrote:

There ain't no "maybe" about it, fish.

I think "troll" may fit better here instead of fish...

kleelof

What does 'fish' mean here?

leiph18
slimcheffy wrote:
t-ram87 wrote:

Dont compare difference with 900 to 1200 vs 1200 to 1400, latter is ten times bigger difference. You can understand this by comparing an average gm with any (ex) world champion.

At beginner level (<1500) can most of players win 200-300 ratings easily in a years work, but Rowson has said in his book that in his 10 years previous book he set up his goal to win 100 point in 10 years but he failed it.

Since chess.com blitz ratings doesnt show your real rating. And most beginners just spend all of their time solving tactics and playing, the games were decided on the fact that who spotted the tactic and who missed. Well i looked at your game i admit he played better than you that game, but not because he is underrated player. He tried to fight for iniatiative (very amateurly) but you didnt castle and went after material. I believe anyone can think about winning material and if you thought that would make you 300 points better player than your opponent you were wrong, you have prove you are better every game you play, not that he has to prove he is worse. You need to be playing prophilacticly and sound. Did you obey principles ? No. Did you ever think about what your opponent wants to do ? No. Then why you believe you deserved winning ?

I don't believe I deserved to win that game. But I also felt my opponent was uncannily good.... for his rating.

Which moves in particular did you find uncannily good?

I'm guessing when e.g. you made a threat and he defended it like when he moved his rook backwards, or when, after you threatened his bishop, he ignored it and captured your e pawn.

kleelof

Is it this guy:

slimcheffy
owltuna wrote:
slimcheffy wrote:
owltuna wrote:

There ain't no "maybe" about it, fish.

I think "troll" may fit better here instead of fish...

Trolls are funny and clever. You're pathetic and weak. So no, sorry, wrong again.

Ok so I can't spot someone faking a low rating to win but... I can spot a person with no class, who resorts to personal attacks and insults... and for what reason ?

FrozenBeast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjqQfVY0yAc

slimcheffy

haha you are trying waaaaaaay too hard my little Owltuna ! Keep grasping my friend : )

slimcheffy

Thank you.

TyroLoco

Some people are just really inconsistent, I happen to be one of the players in that category. I get accused of cheating fairly often when I beat higher-rated player on FICS, but it's really just that I'm having a good day. In fact, that's one of the reasons I play as often as I do; it's a good reality check for how well the gray matter is functioning on that particular day. 

BrilliantChess303

I'm sure you wouldn't have said if you won.

slimcheffy
TyroLoco wrote:

Some people are just really inconsistent, I happen to be one of the players in that category. I get accused of cheating fairly often when I beat higher-rated player on FICS, but it's really just that I'm having a good day. In fact, that's one of the reasons I play as often as I do; it's a good reality check for how well the gray matter is functioning on that particular day. 

Good point, i find the same thing, very inconsistent day to day. Some days it's there, some days it isn't. It's kind of like a mental form of golf !

slimcheffy
BrilliantChess303 wrote:

I'm sure you wouldn't have said if you won.

Thank you Captain Obvious ! 

cabbagecrates

Yes it's probably sandbagging.  Check the guy's stats and report him if it's obvious.

blastforme

ai have a hard time understanding why so many of you all put so much onus on blitz ratings. Like.. can a 900 beat a 1200 - in a 5 min blitz game? Of course - lol. 10 min games are WAY too fast for me.. I cant imagine what a 5 min game would be like (i've never tried). But I just took some time to look at some of the posters' ratings. There are people that have ~1200-1400 blitz ratings, but in around 1000 for Standard and for On-Line...

Then I think.. me and my meager 900-ish blitz rating, 1350-ish Standard and 1500 On-Line. Its not accurate to assume that a guy with just a 800 rating in Blitz can't possibly see enough tactics to beat a 1300 Blitz player in a 5 min game! lol  - especially if the "1300 Blitz-rated" player is only pulling a 1000-1200 rating in standard! 

I don"t think that Blitz ratings are meaningless, but I dont think they mean what a lot of you think they mean - especially when it comes to overall chess understanding/ability... - just my 2 c...

slimcheffy
blastforme wrote:

ai have a hard time understanding why so many of you all put so much onus on blitz ratings. Like.. can a 900 beat a 1200 - in a 5 min blitz game? Of course - lol. 10 min games are WAY too fast for me.. I cant imagine what a 5 min game would be like (i've never tried). But I just took some time to look at some of the posters' ratings. There are people that have ~1200-1400 blitz ratings, but in around 1000 for Standard and for On-Line...

Then I think.. me and my meager 900-ish blitz rating, 1350-ish Standard and 1500 On-Line. Its not accurate to assume that a guy with just a 800 rating in Blitz can't possibly see enough tactics to beat a 1300 Blitz player in a 5 min game! lol  - especially if the "1300 Blitz-rated" player is only pulling a 1000-1200 rating in standard! 

I don"t think that Blitz ratings are meaningless, but I dont think they mean what a lot of you think they mean - especially when it comes to overall chess understanding/ability... - just my 2 c...

Hi good comments, I agree that blitz ratings are not at all the same as online. In fact I almost see blitz as garbage chess, not real chess. 

My point here though was more surrounding the problem of players faking a low rating to win, which may or may not have occured in this particular instance, but def is an issue. 

To quote an earlier post : Sounds like a self-defeating strategy to me.  To "fake" a low rating you have to do what: lose some games.  And you do this why: so you can win some games?  What kind of a yo-yo would do that on purpose?

jappa04

sometimes there are new members and after losing two or three games there rating goes down a lot of points. After that they might have started kind of getting the hang of it. Maybe if u check those players ratings again it might actually be pretty high

blastforme

Hey - yes, I read the string.. and saw the game. His Blitz rating is about the same as mine. His play - like yours, was just as error ridden as any of my blitz games.. 

I don't know anything about how the tournaments work here. Are there any "teams/clubs" involved? I could see why a team might want to lower a good player's rating to qualify them for the tourney... no different then high school wrestling where they run their kids for hours in garbage bags so they can sweat the few pounds to qualify for the lower wieght category... Yes - strange.. honest? that's subjective I guess...

slimcheffy

There were no teams or clubs involved here, just straight up fast blitz chess, which is why I found it strange...