Fastest Way with Pre-Moves to Mate with a K + Q vs K!?

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Hello Friends,

Does anyone know if there is a method to mate with a King and Queen against a King with "pre-moves". In others words, what is the best way to mate irrespective of what the opponent (with the King) moves?

Many a time, we may find ourselves with say 3 seconds on the clock and we have to win a position with a K+Q against a king. The normal method of cutting files/ranks would involve placing the Queen and King in optimal squares which would need at least 1-2 seconds of thinking but we basically have only 3 seconds in total to execute a mate!. Given this, I was thinking if there would be a method which may take 10-15 moves extra but if they can all be executed on pre-moves, it would get the job done in 3 seconds.

Any comments would be helpful. Thanks.

AussieMatey

But try not to premove blunder your Queen because that could be an obstacle.

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AussieRookie wrote:

But try not to premove blunder your Queen because that could be an obstacle.

Exactly the point :). I am looking for a method to avoid these blunders. With 3 seconds on clock (even in online live chess), it seems impossible to mate when we have to constantly see if we are blundering the queen or not.

Is there any foolproof method so that we can play a set of moves which can mate in even 30 moves but the moves can be played on auto-pilot?

If not already available, perhaps any thoughts on how we can figure one out! ;).

deoxyriboneuclicacid
If you have a Q plus K vs K your opponent should resign for good sportsmanship
chessam1998

Play quickly queen moves to first get the king in the corner, then you can safely premove with king only, and the final queen mating move too.

ActuallySleepy
Obviously keeping queen a Knights move away cutting off the board forcing opponent into a corner?
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AlkinKing wrote:
Obviously keeping queen a Knights move away cutting off the board forcing opponent into a corner?

Thank You :) . but does the king get cornered by keeping the queen at knights distance from the king? I doubt..Undecided

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chessam1998 wrote:

Play quickly queen moves to first get the king in the corner, then you can safely premove with king only, and the final queen mating move too.

Thank You. Yes, once the king is cornered, basically we can pre-move all our king moves including the final move with our queen checkmating the king.

The question is if there is a way to corner the king first using pre-moves? Remember we have only 3 seconds on clock..

Bramblyspam

I suspect you'd mate faster - on the clock as well as in move count - if you made a couple non-premove moves along the way.

Then again, I don't play bullet, so what do I know. 

ChessOfPlayer

I think I have done that a few times.

AussieMatey

What do you do if both players are premoving and all 3 pieces end up on the same square?

ActuallySleepy

May be hard to pre-move it the entire time but yes keeping your queen a Knights move away from enemy king does work him into a corner.

JeffreyHuang
You can see that many of the moves can be premoved.

 

canadian_rt

I think the easiest idea is to attempt to break your opponent's premoves. Move queens in places that break your opponent's premoves. and hopefully they get themselves on the last rank

JeffreyHuang

You can premove and use the king to support the queen and keep pushing. However, this runs into this stalemate trap.

Some people have suggested using the queen as a modified rook. But beware that the opponent's king turns back one move early when they try to get close to your queen.

Here is a sample game that doesn't use the ghetto rook method.

mmm600

Something like that? It's perpetual sequence of moves, only last moves are another.