Whatever you are forced to, can't be accepted.
Female chess players forced to wear hijab
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Yes I agree and I am not entirely convinced that its simply a matter of culture either. Would I expect you to wear a kilt if you came to Scotland claiming it was culture and threaten to imprison you if you wore your joggies?
That's the point. If only they expect me to do it but I can choose, I would do it almost for sure (the kilt is a bit extreme situation though). But if I'm forced...
Anyone else incredibly disappointed that Susan Polgar supports this?
united kingdom doesn't have a dress code
Sep 30, 2016
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baddogno wrote:
Anyone else incredibly disappointed that Susan Polgar supports this?
I've had zero respect for Susan Polgar for many years.
Disappointed? Yep.
Surprised? Nope.
Actually guys to be fair Susan has her own perspective and for her its simply a cultural issue which she is pleased to comply with, for others its rather more involved being indicative of certain values that they would rather not be associated with. FIDE already has a dress code but requiring women to wear a head covering goes above and beyond that.
Are you expecting a split of women's champions?
FrederickClegg wrote:
Yet another racist Scot. Unfortunately our country is full of his type. His views on politics is basically just, 'get em out the f@$king country'. He spends all day in the pub moaning about minorities not integrating with our society and hates the fact that he can't control what women wear.
I am not exactly sure who the recipient of your caustic diatribe is nor why you have uttered it. Who has been racist? Who has aid anything against minorities? Again no one has claimed the kilt is the norm however it is a recognizable cultural element of dress and I theretofore reject your argument that its nonsensical because the entire basis for accepting the wearing of the hijab is that its a cultural element, a premise that I reject. Infact it becomes rather apparent that its a moral issue if one looks beyond the surface.
kaynight wrote:
Aw' 'n bile yer heid Cleggy. Naebuddy hus mentioned rascism.
He appears to be wired for sure.
" Susan Polgar, the Hungarian-born American Grandmaster and chair of Fide's Commission for Women's Chess, responded by defending the federation and saying women should respect "cultural differences"."
Respect Cultural Differences....YES. So why not ask Iran to "Respect Cultural Differences" of the women who attend!
The bigger issue is what is being forced upon the women is representative of the oppression of women.
I do not think that any entity, such as FIDE, Olympics, etc., should hold events in any country that promotes, practices and supports the oppression of other people. Doing so only condones such ideology.
And I am disappointed in Susan Polgar.
yes it appears to me to be an ethical issue.
FrederickClegg wrote:
kaynight wrote:
Aw' 'n bile yer heid Cleggy. Naebuddy hus mentioned rascism.
Probably because 'rascism' isn't a real word.
Now behave, you're trying to cause controversy where there is none while bashing people who choose to cover their face for modesty/religious reasons.
FIDE already has a dress code which ensures modesty none of which require anyone to cover their head. Why should that not be adequate as it stands?
FrederickClegg wrote:
akafett wrote:
The bigger issue is what is being forced upon the women is representative of the oppression of women.
I do not think that any entity, such as FIDE, Olympics, etc., should hold events in any country that promotes, practices and supports the oppression of other people. Doing so only condones such ideology.
And I am disappointed in Susan Polgar.
America is the biggest oppressor. I forgot you don't bring war, death and misery to other countries - you bring freedom.
Please Frederick be careful I don't want this thread locked because the discussion has veered off into territory that is contraband.
Sep 30, 2016
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Pulpofeira wrote:
Whatever you are forced to, can't be accepted.
As I was reading, this was my thought. Wearing a hajib? Who cares. Their religion is different? shouldn't matter. They will jail you for not wearing this (and other potentially harmful situations while in public)? I think that's unacceptable.
FrederickClegg wrote:
Because their countries culture is for women to cover their heads. If it is a law of the land you need to accept it or don't go.
Yes that is one aspect however it raises certain other issues, why should women who are not part of that culture be coerced to accept its norms by wearing a piece of garb that they find morally offensive.
At the risk of being banned for introducing something other than inane babble, images of fluffy kittens with machine guns etc etc I provide this for your perusal and edification. Note to moderator : contains potentialy thought provoking content :D
Female chess players forced to wear hijab as governing body awards world championship to Iran. Gulp!
The world's top female chess players have reacted with horror after being told they must compete at next year's world championship wearing a hijab.
Within hours of Iran being revealed as its host country, the prestigious event was plunged into crisis as it emerged players taking part face arrest if they don't cover up.
In response, Grandmasters lined up to say they would boycott the 64-player knock-out and accused the game's scandal-hit governing body Fide of failing to stand up for women’s rights.
Fide's Commission for Women's Chess, meanwhile, called on participants to respect “cultural differences” and accept the regulations.
Hijabs have been mandatory for women in Iran since the Islamic Revolution of 1979 and the strict law is enforced by the country's "morality police".
Any woman found not wearing one in public faces arrest, a fine or public admonishment. However, players claim by awarding the event to Iran Fide is turning a blind eye to sexual discrimination.
Nazi Paikidze, the US women's champion, also raised concerns about players' safety in the Islamic republic.
She said: "It is absolutely unacceptable to host one of the most important women's tournaments in a venue where, to this day, women are forced to cover up with a hijab.
"I understand and respect cultural differences. But, failing to comply can lead to imprisonment and women's rights are being severely restricted in general.
Former Pan American champion Carla Heredia, from Ecuador, added: "No institution, no government, nor a Women's World Chess Championship should force women to wear or to take out a hijab.
"This violates all what sports means. Sport should be free of discrimination by sex, religion and sexual orientation.
"The obligation to use hijab is one issue, another one is that women can't share room with a male if she is not married to him.
"So the question remains what would happen if women chess players want to share the room with a male coach or if women chess players want to prepare for the game visiting the coach's room.”
Fide held a smaller Grand Prix event in Iran earlier this year where female players were required to wear the hijab. The Telegraph understands several players were left angry about having to use the scarf.
Nigel Short, the British former world title contender, said: "There are people from all sorts of backgrounds going to this, there will be atheists, Christians, all sorts of people.
"If you are deeply Christian why would you want to wear a symbol of Islamic oppression of women?"
Susan Polgar, the Hungarian-born American Grandmaster and chair of Fide's Commission for Women's Chess, responded by defending the federation and saying women should respect "cultural differences".
She said: "I have travelled to nearly 60 countries. When I visited different places with different cultures, I like to show my respect by dressing up in their traditional style of clothing. No one asked me to do it. I just do it out of respect.
"I personally would have no issues with wearing a head scarf (hijab) as long as it is the same to all players. I believe the organisers provided beautiful choices for past participants of Women's Grand Prix.
"I cannot speak on behalf of others but from my personal conversations with various players in the past year, they had no real issues with it.
"If any player has a problem with it, she can and should voice her opinion to the Commission for Women's Chess or Fide and we can address it in our next meeting."
Fide is already reeling after its president, the eccentric multi-millionaire Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, was placed on a US sanctions list for alleged business dealings with Syrian president Bashar al-Assad's regime.
Ilyumzhinov has repeatedly denied the allegations and continued to act as leader despite claiming he temporarily delegated his powers to his deputy Georgios Makropoulos.
Earlier this month a planned motion to impeach Ilyumzhinov was thrown out by the Fide’s General Assembly at a meeting in Baku.
The Telegraph tried to contact Fide, but the federation has not responded.
Culture or discrimination? What do you think?