“FIDE bans transgender women from competing in women’s chess events pending ‘further analysis’“

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I’m going to be blunt here. Neither you or I will trust the other’s sources. It simply won’t happen. This will likely hold true for essentially every person on this post who has voiced an opinion. The proof is self-evident: pharmaceutical companies profit immensely from the dramatically increased sales of testosterone and estrogen, and pharmaceutical companies have been lying for what’s coming up on centuries. Most recently, you might remember the mass censorship of “misinformation” surrounding the dreaded corona, despite that “misinformation” being proven more and more true with every passing day.

However, transwomen are biologically male is a true statement. They have male pelvises, male brains, male reproductive systems, male organs, male muscle mass, male bone density, male hearts, and male eyes. Surgery can remove reproductive systems, alter facial structures, remove visible Adam’s apples, and hormones, especially if applied to adolescents and prepubescents can slightly alter a few of the above. However, they’re biological males. Lia Thomas is a male swimming with females, and no amount of hormones or surgery will change that, which is why she won.

Planes wrote: “This isn't prejudiced in any way. Statistically, men perform better than women in chess. It isn't fair for a biological male to change genders and compete against women, similar to how Lia Thomas shouldn't be allowed to compete against biological woman.”

Please, planes, please stop mixing other things into the discussion. We’re not talking about other disciplines; we’re talking about chess. And again the statistics may show that men at this point perform better in chess, so what? The gap is narrowing and the reason is men and women are equal in intelligence and IQ. There’s no difference. To suggest otherwise means you’re a misogynist. All it does is serve your agenda to block transgender‘s from playing chess. That’s all it does.

Ethan, you pointing to the 1% this and that, and men dominating this and that just proves that we live in a patriarchal society. I have witnessed firsthand men acting terribly unfair to female friends of mine. In the classroom and elsewhere. Have you ever heard of the boy good old boys club? Or do you pretend not to know about that?

We’re talking about chess but we’re using a situation with striking similarities to find possible solutions to avoid the same outcome. Men at the top at this point and at every point perform better in chess. The gap is not narrowing, it’s actually been widening after Judit Polgar retired without a replacement, and the reason is that men trend towards the top 1%. I’ll stop myself here.

"FIDE is fully dedicated to making chess inclusive and accessible to everyone." A Dvorkovich, FIDE President January 2023

Obviously, FIDE has a different definition of inclusion to the dictionary definition.

I disagree on this forum and TRANSGENDER WOMAN DESERVED TO BE BANNED.

I don't even care if they are transgender. man and Woman chess tournaments are different and they are seperated. The only way man and woman can play each other is in the Chess world cup. Transgender woman joins the Woman tournament is actually a way to gain free wins and money! I don't care if that "He" is good at chess or not but that is actually a way to rig the system. Literally like for example there is a 100 woman in the tournament but in those 100 1 is a male who transgendered. Which means he just turn himself into a female and join the female tournament AND his originality gender is Male. He just rigged the system. So what if he is smart and beaten all 99 actual woman chess players. That is unfair! IDC if that transgender is smart or not but what if he Is smart? Does that mean "he" who transgendered into "she" just indirectly steal the credit from the Woman chess player indirectly? IDC if u say me racist but that will be a way to rig the system. That is not racist. Is just a way to make the game fair

Why FIDE never get cancelled when did the rule? Because FIDE can use my lines to against it in court and yes they will not get cancelled. Is "their" organization that creates policies and u must agree on it

The what?

Yes, we do live in a patriarchal society. I agree. However, assuredly unlike you, I believe there’s good reason for this. If men compose the vast majority of the top 1%, why on earth would men not comprise the vast majority of leadership roles?

I have more female friends than male friends by a large margin, possibly approaching 2 to 1. In my experience, the female friends have acted far more unfair on far more occasions. As a rule, boys (especially in secondary school, where I’m assuming you’re referencing) tend to jokingly ’act unfair’ towards girls as a misguided attempt to both seem funny and cool to the other boys and seem dominant and attractive to the girl in question. This was always discouraged by me and my male friends and most often punished by authorities. However, I witnessed a LOT of girls directly attack the reputations of the boys in a blatantly false manner for no other reason than to be cruel. I always attempt to protest and stand up for my male counterparts, though I quickly learned that there was no good way to discourage this and that the authorities would always turn a blind eye to this when aware of it.

No. What natural disadvantage do transwomen face when compared to men? None. So why should they be allowed to partake of the advantageous women-only tournaments and titles?

Are women's only tournaments advantageous? I guess that's a separate issue. Some might think they provide extra opportunities for women, while others might argue they are a means of segregation. Whatever!

Not allowing a group of people to participate in an activity in which they have a legal right is not being inclusive. (Taking aside our moral subjectivity for a moment)

Ethan,, thanks for admitting that you are a male chauvinist. You think it’s right to be in a patriarchal society. You should recuse yourself from this discussion, because you’re clearly biased against women.

J, 1944, no one hates you, I just think your position that transgenders should be banned from Chess is bigoted.

If people on this site can’t even agree that men and women are equal, it’s a nonstarter. It’s unbelievable. That’s the one good thing this article has done, it has smoked out the ugliness, the people who have been pretending not to be male chauvinist, but clearly are.

Not allowing a group of people to participate in an activity in which they have a legal right is not being inclusive… this is a mostly true statement. However, it neglects to account for nuance. If consensual, intercourse between adults is fully legal, correct? Now what if one is drunk? It changes the definition of consent. Similarly, only women are allowed play in women-only tournaments, correct? Now what if one has the advantage of a biological male? It changes the definition of woman.

On the contrary. I believe myself to be more pro-women than you are, and an impartial observer would likely judge me as such. I think it’s right to be in a patriarchal society for the express purpose of protecting women. It’s only right that those who can help those who can’t, no? Therefore, the men ought to protect the women.

I said to leave the subjectivity out, but I guess you find it hard? Let's not get bogged down in morals. A woman, by legal definition, should be allowed to play in a women's tournament? If they aren't allowed, then the organisation are not being fully inclusive, which is what FIDE claim to be. I have friends who were born male, but are accepted and acknowledged as legally female here in Australia. If they were denied the right to play in a women's only tournament, that would be against their legal rights, whatever moral standpoint you have about them.

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