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Talonflame_Fan
RobK44 wrote:

Did you agree to fair play?

No, I took a screenshot and then I just exxed out and submitted it for computer analysis Embarassed

Bogdan_88

Sorry, at posts 1 and 7 you posted two games with 1 I 0 at time. I see now that you are talking about a blitz game (at least the first one, where you got flagged) which is 3 I 0. I'm sorry about the confusion, your time edit from your diagrams messed with my mind :)

Talonflame_Fan

Oh no, that's not the time edit, that was just the result of the game. 1-0 means white won, 0-1 means black won.

macer75
Talonflame_Fan wrote:
Bogdan_88 wrote:

Dude, how are that games you posted yours if at your profile, bullet stats show your highest rtg is 1672 and your bullet rtg in your posted games is 1800+? And one more question, Off Topic: how did you write 2500 posts in 2 mounths? Jeez!

That is bullet, my blitz rating is 1800+...

2500 posts in 2 months? That's easy! That's less than 50 posts a day!

Talonflame_Fan

It's only around 42 if you do the math, and most of my posts are on my forum Chess Memes where I just post a bunch of memes everyday, they're easy to make and funny, so I do get a bunch of posts everyday...

DjonniDerevnja

What worries me are that I keep improving, and my openings gets more and more refined every day. Sooner or later my game gets too perfect, and if that kicks me out, do I loose all the games stored in the archive, those games that I will discuss with my coach?

You guys, do you take backup, and how?

DjonniDerevnja

I asked a relative to join us here, but i really fear that he will be trown out fast, because he was close to IM strenght when he quit chess in the previous century. 

berbtheherb

ON ALL OF JUN-TAL'S GAMES, (except the ones that he/she won) HE/SHE HAS LOST EITHER BY RESIGNATION OR TIME. Maybe he/she doesn't realize that there is time and thought you cheated.

Talonflame_Fan

Yeah, but if he lost on time, how does that make my moves engine like?

johnyoudell

Talon, we don't know the methods used but surely your getting flagged does not rest on just the moves of this game? Certainly it is possible to guess that these particular moves were enough to trigger the flag to appear. But maybe only one or several of the moves are moves which the programming considers (for whatever reason) suspect and that one or several were added to earlier ones already charged to your name.

Although the programming must be complex. If it just kept adding up suspect moves then everyone who plays enough games here would eventually see the flag appear. Strong players quite quickly in fact.

Talonflame_Fan

My friend here on chess.com said he got a message when he crossed to 2000, in bullet, it said that they try to detect cheating on higher rated players. But I mean, who has the time to cheat in blitz?

johnyoudell

I read about the message after attaining 2,000 in another thread which, I think I remember, was not bullet. So that message may be delivered on crossing the 2,000 Rubicon at all speeds.

Agree with you about lack of time to cheat. Someone posted some method where you would link the engine to the site and it would automatically make the preferred move.

But how mindless is that? One such mindless person I might, perhaps, persuade myself to believe in. More than one defeats my imagination.

bcoburn2

hey, i would be complemented.

DrFrank124c

I happen to know someone who plays on chess.com and he admitted to me--when we were playing live games at our chess club--that he had been cheating at one time, some time ago,  on chess.com and he never got caught! He was using a computer to find most of the moves in some of the games he was playing. He was not cheating just to be "bad" but because he wanted to learn the best moves and plans in the opening systems he plays. Since that time he has seen the error of his ways and no longer cheats but when he was doing it, he never got caught, never got a notice of any kind. So how good  can the cheat detection system used on this site be? 

Scottrf
DrFrank124c wrote:

I happen to know someone who plays on chess.com and he admitted to me--when we were playing live games at our chess club--that he had been cheating at one time, some time ago,  on chess.com and he never got caught! He was using a computer to find most of the moves in some of the games he was playing. He was not cheating just to be "bad" but because he wanted to learn the best moves and plans in the opening systems he plays. Since that time he has seen the error of his ways and no longer cheats but when he was doing it, he never got caught, never got a notice of any kind. So how good  can the cheat detection system used on this site be? 

Well, as someone observed, they can't stop spammers, what makes anyone think they could stop cheats?

johnyoudell

It is a somewhat challenging task.

I saw something recently where apparently a mobile phone can have a safety device whereby upon a wrong code being enterred the phone takes a photograph and sends it to the owner's e-mail address. So sometimes, if the phone is stolen, the owner will be in a position to provide a photograph of the thief or receiver to the police.

If use of a chess engine is detectable on a visitor's pc or other device I wonder if programming could be developed which allowed chess.com to search the pc or device for that evidence. The search would be triggered in the same way Talon's flag was triggered - by whatever it is that the current programming considers suspicious.

Agreeing to this programming being placed on the visitor's pc or other device would be one of the terms for opening an account.

johnyoudell

That is interesting, two stage.

Is the satisfaction you feel when you win using the engine the same as the satisfaction you feel when you win a game under your own steam?

And it sounds as though you go back to playing for yourself after a while. Why do you do that?

DiogenesDue
johnyoudell wrote:

It is a somewhat challenging task.

I saw something recently where apparently a mobile phone can have a safety device whereby upon a wrong code being enterred the phone takes a photograph and sends it to the owner's e-mail address. So sometimes, if the phone is stolen, the owner will be in a position to provide a photograph of the thief or receiver to the police.

If use of a chess engine is detectable on a visitor's pc or other device I wonder if programming could be developed which allowed chess.com to search the pc or device for that evidence. The search would be triggered in the same way Talon's flag was triggered - by whatever it is that the current programming considers suspicious.

Agreeing to this programming being placed on the visitor's pc or other device would be one of the terms for opening an account.

Not going to happen.  Even if they add that to the terms of service, it will get thrown out in the first serious court challenge.  People don't like the idea of their own property being used to spy on them and incriminate them for some reason...go figure.  There will also be the usual claims of the terms of service being written to obscure what is actually going on, chess.com using the granted access to gather personal data illegally, interfere with competitor's software, slow down the user's PC, etc.  The negative publicity alone would be hugely damaging even if chess.com is 100% ethical about it ;).

The cell phone case is completely different.  That is the owner of the cell phone setting up an app to help themselves in the event of theft.

johnyoudell

Court challenge?

Wow.

DiogenesDue

Court challenge?

Wow.

Maybe you missed the lawsuit last year where chess.com accused someone of cheating, got taken to court, and lost (some employee apparently got too zealous and banned an account with a similar username without subjecting said user to the same rigor as the actual cheating account).  The also-accused was a chess teacher, and it affected his livelyhood because his students who also had accounts could see that he'd been banned...

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