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dylanpthomas
#184

Somehow you’re getting a different report than I am. Everything I stated in that comment is a fact, based on the report I went through yesterday.
Anonymous_Dragon
Ziryab wrote:
dylanpthomas wrote:
Here are the irrefutable facts of the game I posted. I found it and went through the report.

At no point was I down in material, not sure why multiple people keep saying I was, that is false. We were even in material until move 19 when I went up +1. After move 20 I’m up +2. After move 26 I’m up +4. After move 39 I’m up +5.

People keep talking about my massive blunder. The computer recognizes it as a mistake, not a blunder. In that position it was +3.78 better for White (my opponent). Two moves after that, my opponent made an actual huge blunder and the position became +5.05 for me.

The end result is me with three passed pawns, I’m about to capture my opponents last pawn so that there is zero chance of promotion, the enemy king is stuck on the back rank, and I’m up an entire bishop which means I would be up six points.

For the last 12 to 15 moves of the game my opponent is just moving as quickly as possible to run my clock out because they know it’s over. After move 42 it was +11.3 for me. In the final position it says mate in 7 for black.

 

This narrative is inconsistent with the evidence. On moves 24 and 25, you blundered twice. You went from 1:36 (52 seconds more that your opponent) to 0:20 (20 seconds less than your opponent) calculating these two blunders. You also went from +2.2 to -3.9 with these two moves.

That's the reason you lost on time. Too much time spent making bad moves.



He has a nice accuracy too . 

dylanpthomas
#187

It’s not about that one game, for me it was about sportsmanship/etiquette. I was just expressing my opinion on that topic. I used that one game as an example but, it happens daily. People refusing to resign in lost positions.
dylanpthomas
There’s a couple of great chess players at the bar I frequent. One is about 1800 and the other is about 2100. This is their blitz ratings. They agreed 100% that resigning lost positions is the respectable thing to do, even in blitz. It’s nice hearing that from accomplished players. As a matter of fact, the 2100 player exclusively plays on Lichess because in his experience, there is far more nonsense like refusing to resign lost positions and trash talking on chess.com.
Sred
dylanpthomas wrote:
There’s a couple of great chess players at the bar I frequent. One is about 1800 and the other is about 2100. This is their blitz ratings. They agreed 100% that resigning lost positions is the respectable thing to do, even in blitz. It’s nice hearing that from accomplished players. As a matter of fact, the 2100 player exclusively plays on Lichess because in his experience, there is far more nonsense like refusing to resign lost positions and trash talking on chess.com.

On the other hand, you can watch IMs and GMs live on stream enjoying some dirty flagging every now and then. You also don't see them complain if they get flagged. You may not like it, but that's not going to change anything.

dylanpthomas
#188

As if you’ve never done that ha ha. You’re about a 1500 level blitz player. You’ve never spent 20 or more seconds and then made a poor choice with the clock ticking? Right…
Ziryab
dylanpthomas wrote:
#184

Somehow you’re getting a different report than I am. Everything I stated in that comment is a fact, based on the report I went through yesterday.

 

Premium members get better quality engine analysis.

Ziryab
dylanpthomas wrote:
There’s a couple of great chess players at the bar I frequent. One is about 1800 and the other is about 2100. This is their blitz ratings. They agreed 100% that resigning lost positions is the respectable thing to do, even in blitz. It’s nice hearing that from accomplished players. As a matter of fact, the 2100 player exclusively plays on Lichess because in his experience, there is far more nonsense like refusing to resign lost positions and trash talking on chess.com.

 

2100 on Lichess is about 1800. My USCF blitz rating is over 1900 and I disagree.

Anonymous_Dragon
dylanpthomas wrote:
#188

As if you’ve never done that ha ha. You’re about a 1500 level blitz player. You’ve never spent 20 or more seconds and then made a poor choice with the clock ticking? Right…

I have for sure. But I dont cry .

uri65
dylanpthomas wrote:
There’s a couple of great chess players at the bar I frequent. One is about 1800 and the other is about 2100. This is their blitz ratings. They agreed 100% that resigning lost positions is the respectable thing to do, even in blitz.

Magnus Carlsen disagrees

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU&t=290s

Ziryab
Anonymous_Dragon wrote:
dylanpthomas wrote:
#188

As if you’ve never done that ha ha. You’re about a 1500 level blitz player. You’ve never spent 20 or more seconds and then made a poor choice with the clock ticking? Right…

I have for sure. But I dont cry .

 

If I had a dollar for every piece I've dropped, I could buy Microsoft.

dylanpthomas
#195

I am a premium member
Kapivarovskic

And grandmasters and world champions -much more accomplished than any 2100 - are flagging people online left and right... online and OTB are 2 very different things you'll understand with a little more experience...

And I can guarantee that I'll checkmate my opponents most of the times with only 15 seconds on the clock  if I'm up by a lot of material empirically and statistically -  because it's happened many times and most of them I ended up a victor. It's not brainless moving, the only brainless thing are your arguments and analogies lol - there's plenty of logic and strategy to flagging.... flagging in itself is an art.... and it doesn't matter if you're up .6+, 3.2+, 47.9+, 103 points or M4. It doesn't matter if your precision was 99.8% ... if you miss a tactic you can lose the game.

Did you know that Petrosian and Kramnik - both world champions - have blundered queens and missed mate in 1 in classical chess? I bet you didn't... and if they can blunder like that in classical, imagine what patzers like you and me won't do in blitz

By your logic, Verstappen shouldn't have overtaken Lewis Hamilton for the Formula 1 World Champion in the last lap... that was very poor sportsmanship of him to do his best and try to beat his rival, right? The noble sportsman thing to do would be to just watch him cruise the finish line unopposed since Hamilton led every other lap in the race...

 

The most sportsman thing someone can do is their best to beat their opponent within the rules... and that's what they are doing... 

 

dylanpthomas
#196

I had an extended conversation with that 2100 player about that topic. Lichess ratings vs chess.com ratings. On here, the highest rating I’ve ever had for blitz was about 1515. It’s a struggle for me to get back to 1500. On lichess, I broke 1700 and it wasn’t really that difficult. He was surprised to hear that so he looked into it. He found that it’s normal for there to be a big gap like that at lower ratings but, a 2100 player is indeed 2100 on both apps.
Kapivarovskic
dylanpthomas wrote:
#187

It’s not about that one game, for me it was about sportsmanship/etiquette. I was just expressing my opinion on that topic. I used that one game as an example but, it happens daily. People refusing to resign in lost positions.

 

Brilliant. It's unsportsman to try and come back from a lost position? Counterplay ?... To go for a tactic or trick or create some chaos in hopes your opponent blunders? nah that's boring and unportsmanlike

Dylan for FIDE president - new rule - if computer accuses 2 points the game is immediately over - regardless whether the player has seen the 14 deep subtle moves combo that guarantees that advantage

 

"The hardest game to win is a won game" - Emanuel Lasker- 2nd world champion, holds the record for longest time as a world champion - he might know a thing or two about chess.

 

Your opponent is brainlessly moving and playing a3 b3 c3 f3 and you can't capitalize on that and somehow it's your opponents fault for being unsportsmanlike? geez

 

If you want to play 5 minutes so much... Again why don't you simply ask for time odds? 

And since when managing time better than your opponent is poor sportsmanship?

Kapivarovskic
Sred wrote:
dylanpthomas wrote:
There’s a couple of great chess players at the bar I frequent. One is about 1800 and the other is about 2100. This is their blitz ratings. They agreed 100% that resigning lost positions is the respectable thing to do, even in blitz. It’s nice hearing that from accomplished players. As a matter of fact, the 2100 player exclusively plays on Lichess because in his experience, there is far more nonsense like refusing to resign lost positions and trash talking on chess.com.

On the other hand, you can watch IMs and GMs live on stream enjoying some dirty flagging every now and then. You also don't see them complain if they get flagged. You may not like it, but that's not going to change anything.

 

Some of them don't care. They literally don't care

Ziryab
dylanpthomas wrote:
#196

..., a 2100 player is indeed 2100 on both apps.

 

Not in my experience, although my peak blitz here (2066) is about 50 lower than my peak there. I'm currently just under 2100 there and struggling to get back to 1800 here.

I think I've been down in the 1500s on both sites, too. Sometimes I play late at night after several drinks.

Sred
dylanpthomas wrote:
#196

I had an extended conversation with that 2100 player about that topic. Lichess ratings vs chess.com ratings. On here, the highest rating I’ve ever had for blitz was about 1515. It’s a struggle for me to get back to 1500. On lichess, I broke 1700 and it wasn’t really that difficult. He was surprised to hear that so he looked into it. He found that it’s normal for there to be a big gap like that at lower ratings but, a 2100 player is indeed 2100 on both apps.

If you think that rating matters regarding that topic, I refer to Hikaru Nakamuras opinion.

dylanpthomas
#201

It’s not like I’m going to change your mind but, a lot of times flagging is absolutely brainless. The clock is ticking so people start sacrificing a bunch of their pieces, blundering everything. Happens constantly. Comparing that to Formula One racing is pretty ridiculous. I admire the driver striving that hard for the win in the final moments. I do not admire the person playing such a difficult, well respected game in such a poor manner.

Also, the top players in the world flag each other but they are playing real chess in the meantime. I’ve watched plenty of blitz and bullet games between exceptional players. It’s amazing what they come up with in such a short time. Sure, blunders happen even at that level but it’s not mindless nonsense. I teeter between 1400 and 1500 usually on blitz. At my worst I sometimes fall below 1400 and at my best I’ve broken 1500. Comparing blitz players at my level to the greatest players in the world is ridiculous as well.
uri65
dylanpthomas wrote:
#201

It’s not like I’m going to change your mind but, a lot of times flagging is absolutely brainless. The clock is ticking so people start sacrificing a bunch of their pieces, blundering everything.

So you repeatedly lose to a brainless play full of blunders? That tells something about the quality of your own play.